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DarthDymond
02.04.2014 , 04:41 PM | #171
Quote: Originally Posted by CosmicKat View Post
What is this? Did a memo go around with "conspiracy theory" as this week's way to insult and belittle people without breaking the forum rules?

There's nothing sinister or conspiratorial about it, so stop leaping to your Fox News-esque talking point de jour.

It was a business decision. Nothing more. Risk vs. reward, and the path they chose was the one requiring the least effort with the highest chance of short term reward.
Are you really responding to people labeling you a conspiracy theorist by... asking if people are conspiring against you???

Sorry mate, but when you put out there statements like "This is exactly what they want everyone to believe," and say that the hard numbers put out by a EA/BW and a third party data company were "made up by someone" or are "laughably implausible marketing propaganda"... chances are multiple people are going to disagree with you all on their own, and some of them may even think those statements make you sound like a member of the tinfoil-hat brigade.

For my part, like I said before, I can respect taking a critical eye to statistics and numbers being circulated, but I also can't really blame people for reaching the conclusion that you might not want to believe those numbers simply because they're not saying what you want them to say.
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GalacticKegger
02.04.2014 , 04:50 PM | #172
Quote: Originally Posted by DarthDymond View Post
Are you really responding to people labeling you a conspiracy theorist by... asking if people are conspiring against you???
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Dominemesis
02.04.2014 , 10:08 PM | #173
Quote: Originally Posted by MjSplicer View Post
I have been playing swtor for well over a year and a half,. II do enjoy the new products that they put out, however i have a concern about the future here. IN the next coupe months, as many of us know, Bethesda will be launching ESO. This is a massive game to try and go against, and yet EA and BIoware have nothing on the horizon to counter it. A new FP this coming month is nice, sort of as there is not a whole lot there for endgamers to really get excited about, but were is the next expansion. Its been a year since the release of ROTHC with no hint of another expansion on the horizon. Oricon and CZ were nice small add ons, although if i hear Ramuss or Vigilant speak again i might have to remove my ears, but were is the next Makeb, the next level cap, the things that keep the endgame players happy. Lets face it most of this games subs are those endgame players and If BW doesn't step it up fast, i worry about the future of the swtor galaxy
I don't disagree, more from SWTOR can only help it, but having played in the beta of ESO, I can 100% say it sucks and I would never buy it. So I don't know about Wildstar or The Division or the other MMO's on the horizon, but ESO isn't going to even ruin a mediocre MMO like Neverwinter's day let alone SWTOR's.

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DarthVengeant
02.04.2014 , 10:50 PM | #174
Quote: Originally Posted by OddballEasyEight View Post
Well you sure proved me wrong with your sound reasoning and persuasive argumentative techniques...
And your reply shows your immaturity.

I dont have to have reasoning. It's my opinion.

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CosmicKat
02.05.2014 , 12:11 AM | #175
Quote: Originally Posted by DarthDymond View Post
Are you really responding to people labeling you a conspiracy theorist by... asking if people are conspiring against you???

Sorry mate, but when you put out there statements like "This is exactly what they want everyone to believe," and say that the hard numbers put out by a EA/BW and a third party data company were "made up by someone" or are "laughably implausible marketing propaganda"... chances are multiple people are going to disagree with you all on their own, and some of them may even think those statements make you sound like a member of the tinfoil-hat brigade.

For my part, like I said before, I can respect taking a critical eye to statistics and numbers being circulated, but I also can't really blame people for reaching the conclusion that you might not want to believe those numbers simply because they're not saying what you want them to say.
Well since you put it that way, I guess I owe you a touché.

As to your first point, I see the irony.

As to the second, I don't mean to imply any nefarious scheming from Bioware, just that anything a corporation says is advertising, and should be taken with a giant grain of salt.
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OddballEasyEight
02.05.2014 , 12:32 AM | #176
Quote: Originally Posted by GalacticKegger View Post
+5 & couldn't agree more. In fact, I think I will adopt that into my sig. People with any semblance of a brain don't support a game by repeatedly kicking it in the privates; spewing all day every day that it, its community and/or its developer are failures ... regardless of how the delivery is camouflaged. They are imho either compensating for something that has nothing to do with anything past their keyboard, or are intentionally trying to chase business away. People who truly support something don't gang bang it - they, well ... they support it.

That's merely my opinion based on over 30 years of experience watching faceless forums give abusive cowards a place to thrive. I don't need, nor would it be even possible, to produce any facts to back up that opinion. That's how opinion tends to work.
Well saying something like "everybody hates this and nobody is playing it" is not an opinion, it is a statement of fact.
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OddballEasyEight
02.05.2014 , 12:34 AM | #177
Quote: Originally Posted by DarthDymond View Post
Are you really responding to people labeling you a conspiracy theorist by... asking if people are conspiring against you???

Sorry mate, but when you put out there statements like "This is exactly what they want everyone to believe," and say that the hard numbers put out by a EA/BW and a third party data company were "made up by someone" or are "laughably implausible marketing propaganda"... chances are multiple people are going to disagree with you all on their own, and some of them may even think those statements make you sound like a member of the tinfoil-hat brigade.

For my part, like I said before, I can respect taking a critical eye to statistics and numbers being circulated, but I also can't really blame people for reaching the conclusion that you might not want to believe those numbers simply because they're not saying what you want them to say.
Yeah, pretty much this.
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OddballEasyEight
02.05.2014 , 12:41 AM | #178
Quote: Originally Posted by CosmicKat View Post
Well since you put it that way, I guess I owe you a touché.

As to your first point, I see the irony.

As to the second, I don't mean to imply any nefarious scheming from Bioware, just that anything a corporation says is advertising, and should be taken with a giant grain of salt.
I get your standpoint, but you are drawing it to ridiculous lengths.
1: the 139 million dollars profit from microtransactions was from an independent datagathering group. There is no reason to believe that bioware has somehow bought themselves a position on that list.
2: they are not allowed to lie about their numbers in the shareholders quarterly under penalty of stiff jailtime. For a company to lie on their quarterly is excedingly rare and usually only done if a company is about to fold and the management is basically ready to flee the country with whatever money is left.

The fact that you are not just skeptical to these numbers, but outright dismiss them as "false advertising" makes me think that you are indeed a conspiracy nut.

There is nothing wrong with critical thinking.
But saying that you refuse to believe in numbers given at a quarterly shareholders meeting where it is illegal to lie about the numbers goes way beyond critical thinking and into conspiracy theory land.
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Aries_cz
02.05.2014 , 01:09 AM | #179
Quote: Originally Posted by OddballEasyEight View Post
It all depends on what you call "decent content".

PvP players want more warzones and (some) arenas.
Hard-core Raiders want more NiM content and new Ops.

The problem is that those two groups (and I can't really think of any others*) are niche groups with a 'relatively' small portion of the games subscriber base.
Having both groups leave completely would make a difference.
But making content exclusively for those groups at a pace that they would like is also not feasible sinche they are niche groups.
The rate of content that these two groups want is at a level of being main content.
And that just won't happen.

So if one belongs to either of those groups one needs to decide to do one of two things. Either leave in protest and find another game that is centered around the preferred playstyle or be content with the rate of content added and maby partake in the rest of the content offered in the game.

*there are also roleplayers, but those guys are basically screwed from the start and the ones that are still playing have long since reconciled with the fact that they will get no content whatsoever geared towards them exclusively.
I think that even the "not so much hardcore" raiders from guilds that are raiding on regular basis (and which have cleared HM Oricon and have it on farm status probably) will agree that a year between new operations is a really long time (which is what it looks like, unless they announce new Ops for 2.8).
Sure, I get that they want NiMs to be perfect, but NiM is not really new raiding content, but a rehash of existing stuff, just more difficult, and not everybody wants to see that again...
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OddballEasyEight
02.05.2014 , 02:09 AM | #180
Quote: Originally Posted by Aries_cz View Post
I think that even the "not so much hardcore" raiders from guilds that are raiding on regular basis (and which have cleared HM Oricon and have it on farm status probably) will agree that a year between new operations is a really long time (which is what it looks like, unless they announce new Ops for 2.8).
Sure, I get that they want NiMs to be perfect, but NiM is not really new raiding content, but a rehash of existing stuff, just more difficult, and not everybody wants to see that again...
You know, it's kinda funny because the post you replied to was actually a reply to someone asking for more NiM ops...

And don't take the roadmap as an be-all-end-all of what will come this year. I'm betting there will be at least one Op involved in the end of the new storyline and that will come to a conclusion at the end of the year, so there will be at least one more new op there.
And since patch 2.8 is supposedly the "biggest one yet", chances are that there will be an Op there too.
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