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Hard Mode Flashpoint tanking (50/55)


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Dractonis
12.07.2013 , 01:39 PM | #1
Hello,

In any game I've ever played I've always rolled a DPS or healer, which is the case for 7/8 of my current characters. My sith assassin is however, specced darkness. He's level 55 now and I want to start tanking hard mode flashpoints on him. I did the normal ones and tried to learn on the go, but I've found this is hard as a tank.

If I was ever new to an instance as a dps it was never really an issue, your job is always pretty much the same unless you need to kill some adds or avoid scary circles. I'm finding with my tank that it's almost unacceptable to not know every mechanic and fight inside out, know your way around, which bits you can skip, which things to CC etc.

And since in FPs there's only four of you, it's not like there is another tank present you can watch and learn from. So what I'm saying is, is googling FP guides and watching YouTube videos the only way for me to check out these FPs before I attempt them? People seem impatient when I tell them I've never done it before or just give me a "just taunt" response. It sort of takes the fun out of the game feeling that I have to research everything instead of just playing but at the same time I don't want to be a burden on the group by running as a tank that's never been there before.

Not only am I new to SWTOR tanking, I'm new to tanking in any MMO so I'm trying to learn a lot at once. Given the shortage of tanks in the game and queue finder I would have thought people would be happy to just quickly explain something or give some pointers, but that's not the feeling I've been getting.

How did you guys level your first tanking character in new environments?

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RikuvonDrake
12.07.2013 , 01:50 PM | #2
Hey! I would normally just ask in chat if it's not new content and use any tips I get about basic mechanics and then adapt to them and learn during the bossfights. Flashpoints are not really hard today ingame even if you are doing 55 HM or SM Athiss, so you should be able to learn a lot during your first fight with the boss and adapt during the fight.

If you are totally new to tanking you shouldn't depend on getting all information from other players without doing more then asking, you should actively try to find information about how to tank, rotation, gear, stats and how you have to position yourself in different fights. So watch some youtube walkthroughs about Operations/Flashpoints so you become a benefit for your group! =)
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Dractonis
12.07.2013 , 02:27 PM | #3
Quote: Originally Posted by RikuvonDrake View Post
Hey! I would normally just ask in chat if it's not new content and use any tips I get about basic mechanics and then adapt to them and learn during the bossfights. Flashpoints are not really hard today ingame even if you are doing 55 HM or SM Athiss, so you should be able to learn a lot during your first fight with the boss and adapt during the fight.

If you are totally new to tanking you shouldn't depend on getting all information from other players without doing more then asking, you should actively try to find information about how to tank, rotation, gear, stats and how you have to position yourself in different fights. So watch some youtube walkthroughs about Operations/Flashpoints so you become a benefit for your group! =)
Hi, thanks for your reply. Yes I was new to tanking when I made this character and I do enjoy helping people which is why I like the role. I've researched as much as I can about my build, rotation, gear, stats etc and know all that. Now I want to focus on doing what the game is for; playing it. Obviously it's a learning process though and I don't want to die and have people get annoyed at me.

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RikuvonDrake
12.07.2013 , 03:15 PM | #4
Well problem is that tanks has a higher learning curve then for example DPS or even healers so it will take you time to learn the encounters, maybe it's slightly to late but doing the story mode flashpoints while leveling is a nice lesson since the mechanics is the same on HM (just does more damage) and during leveling most are nicer if people are bad.

Basically the only tip I think I can give you is to continue trying, sure sometimes people will get mad if you screw up but you will have just as many ****** DPS and Healers in your groups that will do something bad as well, so... Keep trying!
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Loc_n_lol
12.07.2013 , 05:05 PM | #5
Well personally I started with healers and dps chars like you. Then, after I got 3 characters to 50 I felt ready to try a tank. It's easier to learn if you do it while leveling. The story mode flashpoints are mostly very forgiving, and people are either as noob as you, or have lowered expectations. You get to learn from your mistakes too, and without the 5-digit repair bills.

Any new content I do (operations, still kinda new to this), I do it with healers and dps alts first, then I study the tank mechanics, and only then do I try to find a group to tank them.

If you're not sure about some content I guess what you could do is play it more as a healer with an eye out for what the tank is doing, where they are taking a lot of damage, where they are losing aggro, and if it could be avoided by playing better.
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Gardimuer
12.07.2013 , 08:58 PM | #6
Quote: Originally Posted by Loc_n_lol View Post
Any new content I do (operations, still kinda new to this), I do it with healers and dps alts first, then I study the tank mechanics, and only then do I try to find a group to tank them.

If you're not sure about some content I guess what you could do is play it more as a healer with an eye out for what the tank is doing, where they are taking a lot of damage, where they are losing aggro, and if it could be avoided by playing better.
^This.

When I was learning to tank on my Assassin I started watching other tanks very carefully when I went through flashpoints as a DPS. I especially looked for things like the best way to bunch up mobs with knockbacks/pulls so that they'd all be within 10m of me during a fight and therefore easier to hold aggro on. Observation taught me things like how to...

- Tank the Akk Dog boss in Athiss while standing with my back in the entrance of the hallway the adds spawn out of to make it easier to grab agro on adds as soon as they appear and to avoid getting knocked around.
- Position the purple circles around the edge of the room in the final boss fight of Athiss so the DPS and healers don't have to worry about stepping in them.
- Hold aggro on 2 far spaced turrets in Mandalorian Raiders by attacking one and using taunt+Force Pull on the other.

But when it comes to knowing what times to use defensive cooldowns and what to save taunts for, that I had to learn from trial and error while tanking, watching my own health go down, and figuring out what enemies do Force/Tech or Ranged/Melee damage.

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ekwalizer
12.08.2013 , 09:42 AM | #7
Quote: Originally Posted by Dractonis View Post
Hello,

In any game I've ever played I've always rolled a DPS or healer, which is the case for 7/8 of my current characters. My sith assassin is however, specced darkness. He's level 55 now and I want to start tanking hard mode flashpoints on him. I did the normal ones and tried to learn on the go, but I've found this is hard as a tank.

If I was ever new to an instance as a dps it was never really an issue, your job is always pretty much the same unless you need to kill some adds or avoid scary circles. I'm finding with my tank that it's almost unacceptable to not know every mechanic and fight inside out, know your way around, which bits you can skip, which things to CC etc.

And since in FPs there's only four of you, it's not like there is another tank present you can watch and learn from. So what I'm saying is, is googling FP guides and watching YouTube videos the only way for me to check out these FPs before I attempt them? People seem impatient when I tell them I've never done it before or just give me a "just taunt" response. It sort of takes the fun out of the game feeling that I have to research everything instead of just playing but at the same time I don't want to be a burden on the group by running as a tank that's never been there before.

Not only am I new to SWTOR tanking, I'm new to tanking in any MMO so I'm trying to learn a lot at once. Given the shortage of tanks in the game and queue finder I would have thought people would be happy to just quickly explain something or give some pointers, but that's not the feeling I've been getting.

How did you guys level your first tanking character in new environments?
I play all three roles. Don't worry too much about not being a master of the instance going into it. I've never had a problem (example: when I took a break from Imperial and rolled Rep toons) when I stated from the onset "Hey, this is my first time here can someone else lead the way and give me a general how to on the bosses?"

People do get frustrated, but they are a lot more understanding and friendly if they know before first contact that everything in there is new for you.

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anwg
12.08.2013 , 11:08 AM | #8
Run as DPS (and deal with the long queue time), and learn from the good tanks on what to do and so on.

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Dractonis
12.08.2013 , 02:01 PM | #9
Thank you for all of the responses. I did do the story mode flashpoints as a tank when levelling so it's not completely new to me, sorry if I wasn't too clear about that. When I was levelling I would simply switch gear/spec to dps so I could run that way first to get used to it. Now that I'm 55 though I have invested in 'tanky' gear and I don't think a group would appreciate me respeccing, putting a focus on and a different charge since I'd still have all of my tank gear and gimp damage. I do have DPS characters but they are on republic side and I levelled them prior to Makeb so I need to catch up with those.

Anyway I decided to just jump in and give it a go. It's even more unnerving because you get an instant pop on the GF which reminds you just how much the group is relying on you since they've been waiting for a tank for who knows how long. I did Hammer Station and Czerka Core Meltdown HM55s. It went ok I think, nobody died apart from me once when the healer disconnected at the end of the first boss fight in Hammer Station. It was a good test to see how long I could live without a healer anyway.

P.S: When I told the group in Czerka that I was new to it the reaction was: "zomgggg we gonna wipe you've never been here " But it was fine in the end!

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LukeTheGeek
12.08.2013 , 05:44 PM | #10
If you have a smartphone my best recommendation would be to get the app called "SWTOR Field Guide" it doesn't have the 55 HM's on, but it'll give you a good idea of what to do! There's a few videos on youtube of flashpoints being done. I'd also recommend Dulfy's site for Operations and HM FP's as she is the queen of knowledge!