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ManiacDavis
09.07.2013 , 01:20 AM | #31
Quote: Originally Posted by Cunobelin View Post
And what do we get once we complete all of this? Oh yes....nothing. It is STILL just a game, people.
What do you get? You learn how to be a better PvP player. Why would you do pvp unless you had the intention to win and have some fun while your doing it.
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Mad_Mort
09.17.2013 , 02:49 PM | #32
Dude. ...Dude, this is an awesome post. Thank so much! Can't wait ot see your take on the changes to PVP in the new patch!

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AlijahM
09.20.2013 , 01:21 PM | #33
Quote: Originally Posted by Atomitor View Post
as some one who has just come back to this game after a long break this is brilliant. something you could do with putting in there for idiots like me is that your old level 50 warhero stuff you spent so long grinding is worse than useless and should be taken off immediately, personally i had no clue till i saw a post in the forums yesterday
Completely agree. As someone that is just returning and planning on leveling via PVP this guide is going to make my life so much easier.

Quick question regarding the legacy perks, if I have a Sith Jug and a Jedi Sentinel, will the legacy perks count across faction?

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ManiacDavis
09.21.2013 , 12:35 AM | #34
Quote: Originally Posted by AlijahM View Post
Completely agree. As someone that is just returning and planning on leveling via PVP this guide is going to make my life so much easier.

Quick question regarding the legacy perks, if I have a Sith Jug and a Jedi Sentinel, will the legacy perks count across faction?
To the best of my knowledge the legacy perks do count across factions. But to be more specific, which legacy perks are you examining? It is clear that the legacy buff is cross faction because I use that all the time. The stat increase from companion affection at 1,000 + all conversations is not as clear.
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DudeSweat
09.24.2013 , 12:45 PM | #35
Hey thanks for putting all the time and energy in to explaining all of this. It helped tremendously!
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georgemattson
09.24.2013 , 04:19 PM | #36
Thank you so much for this guide. I've been reading & re-reading this pretty regularly to try and absorb & implement all your points. SWTOR is the first MMO where I've ever played more than just the barest minimum of PvP and although I was a founder, I just came back to the game and started PvP in earnest last week. This guide has been helping me tremendously (as well as showing me how badly I jacked up my previous lvl 50 Sentinel).

A few questions for you, though:

First, what would you recommend as the best way to learn the capabilities of other classes? From what I gather, good PvP skills rely heavily on knowing who to target, what kind of abilities they're going to throw at you, timing your abilities to coincide with when their CDs have popped, etc., and so I've rolled a few alts to try and learn these, but of course, that's taking away from the time my guild wants to spend running FPs with my higher level Sentinel. Is this a waste of time, do you think, and if so, is there a better way to learn?

Second, if playing the various alts is not a waste of time, can you recommend a guide on key bindings? It took me about three solid days of tweaking the interface and putting everything I have in what I think is a decent configuration; attacks in one area (somewhat separated by build v burn), DoTs in another, roots in another, etc., but I still find that I'm forgetting to use certain abilities or that a few abilities here and there are out of reach. Fwiw, I have a MadCatz MMO 07 mouse and a Razer Black Widow Ultimate (the macro keys on the KB aren't fully committed, so I have some room to play still), so there are a LOT of options on where to put everything, and I'm finding that all the articles I'm seeing on keybinding are either very specific and assume a basic 104-key KB and two or three button mouse, or are so generic as to be of questionable value. Plus, there's the fact that I'm starting to roll alts that don't share the same abilities, so the idea of spending three more days to configure a keybind for an Imperial Agent doesn't appeal to me.

Third, is there a way to parse the combat log from a raid, flashpoint, etc., to where you can see everyone's damage and compare? My guess would be no, and that this only pulls each individual's data, but I'd very much like to be able to see where I stack up by way of comparison to others.

Thanks!

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funkiestj
09.24.2013 , 11:05 PM | #37
Quote: Originally Posted by georgemattson View Post
First, what would you recommend as the best way to learn the capabilities of other classes? From what I gather, good PvP skills rely heavily on knowing who to target, what kind of abilities they're going to throw at you, timing your abilities to coincide with when their CDs have popped, etc., and so I've rolled a few alts to try and learn these, but of course, that's taking away from the time my guild wants to spend running FPs with my higher level Sentinel. Is this a waste of time, do you think, and if so, is there a better way to learn?
Thanks!
The only other way is to have a buddy duel you with the class you want to learn about. Also, you want voice chat so you two can talk about each duel.

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ManiacDavis
09.25.2013 , 12:40 PM | #38
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Hey thanks for putting all the time and energy in to explaining all of this. It helped tremendously!
I'm glad it was helpful
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09.25.2013 , 12:54 PM | #39
Quote: Originally Posted by georgemattson View Post
First, what would you recommend as the best way to learn the capabilities of other classes?
It is definetely not a waste of time to level alts. This is the best way to get a true understanding of how other classes play and their weaknesses/strengths. Another good tool is to watch live streams or videos of other players in pvp. See how they have their UI/hotkeys set up, examine their positioning and critically examine whether their are positioned well. When they die, examine what CD's they could have used to get out of the situation and the timing of Cooldowns.

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Second, if playing the various alts is not a waste of time, can you recommend a guide on key bindings?
I haven't seen any good guides on keybinds, but thanks for the idea, maybe I will write it. As I said before, take a look at how other people set up their UI/keybinds. Personally, I have commonalities between my characters. For example, my grenades are always bound to shift + q (i know ppl who use G because FPS games use G as grenade), my warzone medpacks/adrenals are shift + z/x respectively. My casted abilities are shift +1-3. My CC breaker is mouse button 3. My instant CC is always Q. Any ability that increases ammo/energy is R (this is normally reload in FPS games). V is always my interrupt. 1-6 are my most common abilities. Find what works for you and use the whole keyboard (q, e, r, t, y, f, g, z, x, c, v, b, etc are heavily used in my rotations).

Quote: Originally Posted by georgemattson View Post
Third, is there a way to parse the combat log from a raid, flashpoint, etc., to where you can see everyone's damage and compare? My guess would be no, and that this only pulls each individual's data, but I'd very much like to be able to see where I stack up by way of comparison to others.
Not a lot of pvp players use parsers, but they are used heavily in PvE. Most parsers that I know of require all players to personally join the parse in order to see their numbers, so it is not possible to parse other players but it is possible to parse your numbers and your guildies.
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georgemattson
09.27.2013 , 01:02 PM | #40
@MD - thank you so much for the responses. That's a really good idea about the videos and looking at how the top players set up their UI. It never occurred to me to do this, but I'll try that tonight.

As for the keybinds, I've been trying to come up with an idea for how to arrange not only my keys but also the indicators on the quickbars. At the moment, I have my main attacks in one area, DoTs in another, AoE in another, etc., but I'm finding that a lot of this still needs a lot of work and I still need to gain familiarity with what to do in what occasions. Also, I've been experimenting with having my quickbars at the top of the screen (my eyes tend to focus up there more than the bottom) so that I can see when my CDs are refreshing, but then I have my target frame on the bottom, so I tend not to see what effects are on the target. Intellectually, I know that's a bad thing, but I don't have a better option to replace that with at the moment. Oh, and I just figured out yesterday where the resolve bar is. Yeah, I suck.

Funny you should mention the FPS binds, btw, as that tends to be my favorite genre (although I suck at FPS PvP as well) and I'm departing significantly from my typical FPS bind in that I'm no longer using WASD to move, whereas that's been a mainstay for me in FPS.

By the way... I did notice, after rolling an imperial agent, that this was not only significantly easier to play in PvP (to be expected, of course, since he's only lvl 14 so far), but that I consistently do much better in FPs with him than I do with the sent (even when doing lowbie PvP with the other sent before he leveled up). Are the ranged DPS classes that much easier to play, or is that just me, do you think?