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Plz make tankasins not suck


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MillionsKNives
08.29.2013 , 11:20 AM | #241
Quote: Originally Posted by Turtletoad View Post
Tankasins DO NOT suck. They are epic. We get to stealth, use lightning and have a double-bladed lightsaber, but besides the aesthetics if you use overcharge saber and the other defensive barrier thing at the right time you will last very long. Even in pvp I almost always do really good as my tankasin. Also there is a skill tree thing for darkness that when you activate thrash(?)once again can't remember the name you get to use maul for 25 force from the front or back which gives us a ton of burst. Also wither is a great aoe attack. and if your getting beat in pvp just stealth, heal, maul, shock, wither, shock, lightning, etc and they are dead.
I'm glad you like the class and find its play style appealing. However that has nothing to do with how well they perform.

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Andryah
08.29.2013 , 11:44 AM | #242
Quote: Originally Posted by AGSThomas View Post
You're correct, the Sin/Shadow is not broken... in Story mode and hard mode. In Nightmare mode it is certainly broken and I've witnessed the numbers first hand. I also disagree that Juggs are easy to play. They are extremely underwhelming until they are geared properly. Do you ever PUG? Because that statement about low skill level is very inaccurate. Low skill level Juggs have mobs running all over the place attacking 5 different people. The Jugg does have a lot of tools to help them out in more situations, yes. But only a good player can exploit this. The sin played well can be a great tank IN SM and HM, but at this point is taking far too much damage in Nightmare to the point where we cant take our friend on raids. That's not right.
PUGs are irrelevant to any discussion along these lines IMO. There is so much going on (or not going on) in team play in any given PUG as to make it sub-optimal and useless in any discussion about high end raid content in any objective sense. There are good PUGs, bad PUGs, super bad PUGs..and every variation between.

I don't play PUGs.. I play with players I know and trust. But in fairness.. If I did tank a PUG... I would not do it with a sin/shadow.. I'd do it with a Jugg/Guard because if the rest of the group is D grade in skills, gear, attention.. at least I have a chance with all the extra headroom (and as I said a bit over the top IMO) compared to another tank class unless the healer is also a tax write-off.
Forum disputatio ------> est completum ineptias.

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mmjarec
08.29.2013 , 08:01 PM | #243
Heres your proof naysayers oh sins are fine. Read it and weep

07.25.2013 , 12:26 AM | #1
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Commando/Mercenary
1. Pizza'dah'hutt - Mercenary Arsenal - 6/36/4 - 3179.33
Log Link: http://www.torparse.com/a/398227/tim...0/Damage+Dealt
AMR Profile: http://swtor.askmrrobot.com/characte...cyCompCount=20
2. Healingbot - Mercenary - Arsenal - 6/36/4 - 3078.65
Log Link: http://www.torparse.com/a/382967/tim...0/Damage+Dealt
AMR Profile: http://swtor.askmrrobot.com/characte...b-bc8be2362b6c
3. Knopik - Mercenary - Arsenal - 6/36/4 3072.53
Log Link: http://www.torparse.com/a/337341/tim...0/Damage+Dealt
4. Faddey - Mercenary - Arsenal 6/36/4 - 3034
Log Link: http://www.torparse.com/a/318863/23/0/Damage+Dealt
5. Fascinate - Mercenary - Arsenal 6/36/4 - 2971.45
Log Link: http://www.torparse.com/a/322669/tim...845/0/Overview



Guardian/Juggernaut
1. Loufucai - Juggernaut - Vengeance - 4/36/6 - 3039.94
Log Link: http://www.torparse.com/a/378642/tim...0/Damage+Dealt
2. Vepres - Guardian - Vigilance - 4/36/6 - 3031
Log Link: http://www.torparse.com/a/387853/tim...0/Damage+Dealt
AMR Profile: http://swtor.askmrrobot.com/characte...6-f066f2f39d5e
3. Kishekzun - Guardian - Vigilance - 4/36/6 - 3029.73
Log Link: http://www.torparse.com/a/396443/tim...0/Damage+Dealt
AMR Profile: http://swtor.askmrrobot.com/characte...4-4c315d492289
4. Įlec - Guardian - Vigilance - 4/36/6 - 2985.18
Log Link: http://www.torparse.com/a/376436/tim...0/Damage+Dealt
5. Arrow's - Juggernaut - Vengeance - 4/36/6 - 2942.98
Log Link: http://www.torparse.com/a/381734/tim...0/Damage+Dealt
AMR Profile:





Gunslinger/Sniper
1. Nithnuro - Sniper - Marksman 36/3/7 - 3265.68
Log Link: http://www.torparse.com/a/365907/tim...0/Damage+Dealt
2. Evrydayimsmggln - Gunslinger - Hybrid 5/18/23 - 3238.05
Log Link: http://www.torparse.com/a/362147/tim...0/Damage+Dealt
3. Tianna - Sniper - Marksman - 36/3/7 - 3229.16
Log Link: http://www.torparse.com/a/379172/tim...0/Damage+Dealt
AMR Profile: http://swtor.askmrrobot.com/characte...2-47a2a7cea8eb
4. Red'october - Gunslinger - Hybrid 5/18/23 - 3207.38
Log Link: http://www.torparse.com/a/377263/tim...0/Damage+Dealt
5. Alishee - Sniper - Marksman - 36/3/7 - 3192.26
Log Link: http://www.torparse.com/a/393866/tim...0/Damage+Dealt
AMR Profile: http://swtor.askmrrobot.com/characte...6-4d7fd43c7223



Engineering/Saboteur
1. Claimed - Gunslinger - Saboteur 7/36/3 - 3629.42
Log Link: http://www.torparse.com/a/333880/tim...0/Damage+Dealt
2. Aeralos - Gunslinger - Saboteur 7/36/3 - 3560.45
Log Link: http://www.torparse.com/a/323863/tim...637/0/Overview
3. Carlenix - Sniper - Saboteur 5/36/5 - 3519.20
Log Link: http://www.torparse.com/a/358651/tim...0/Damage+Dealt
4. Rhuarc - Gunslinger - Saboteur 7/36/3 - 3415
Log Link: http://www.torparse.com/a/297089/tim...307/0/Overview
5. Fūsrodah - Gunslinger - Saboteur 5/36/5 3412.95
Log Link: http://www.torparse.com/a/356383/tim...0/Damage+Dealt



Sage/Sorcerer
1. Handcuff - Sage - 3/36/7 Telekinetics - 3164.89
Log Link: http://www.torparse.com/a/375362/tim...166/0/Overview
AMR Profile: http://swtor.askmrrobot.com/characte...c-6d1a97f52e67
2. Kindran - Sage - Balance - 5/5/36 - 3000.96
Log Link:http://www.torparse.com/a/385460/tim...0/Damage+Dealt
AMR Profile: http://swtor.askmrrobot.com/characte...d-34bb47e5abad
3. Lordbazuka - Sorcerer - Lightning - 2939
Log Link: http://www.torparse.com/a/294514/tim...0/Damage+Dealt
4. Gardein - Sage - Telekinetics - 3/36/7 - 2888 POINT FIEF SEEX
Log Link: http://www.torparse.com/a/395922/tim...084/0/Overview
AMR Profile: http://swtor.askmrrobot.com/characte...3-423c099af110
5. Milas - Sorcerer - Madness- 3/7/36 - 2871.94
Log Link: http://www.torparse.com/a/388008/tim...0/Damage+Dealt
AMR Profile:



Sentinel/Marauder
1. Noo'dles - Marauder - Carnage 5/36/5 - 3221.21
Log Link: http://www.torparse.com/a/365787/tim...0/Damage+Dealt
2. Ranick - Marauder - Carnage - 5/36/5 - 3195.29
Log Link: http://www.torparse.com/a/385111/tim...0/Damage+Dealt
AMR Profile:
3. Alor - Sentinel - Combat - 5/36/5 - 3137.63
Log Link: http://www.torparse.com/a/377320/1/0/Damage+Dealt
AMR Profile: http://swtor.askmrrobot.com/characte...f-e6ebbee4044f
4. Aredun - Sentinel - Watchman - 36/8/2 - 3090.86
Log Link: http://www.torparse.com/a/394597/tim...0/Damage+Dealt
AMR Profile: http://swtor.askmrrobot.com/characte...5-ef66e9b659ab
5 El'ethon - Sentinel - Combat 5/38/3 - 3090.57
Log Link: http://www.torparse.com/a/353757/tim...0/Damage+Dealt



Scoundrel/Operative
1.Invinc - Operative - Lethality - 4/6/36 - 3248.72
Log Link: http://www.torparse.com/a/353755/tim...0/Damage+Dealt
2. Dizella - Operative - Lethallity 3/7/36 - 3149
Log Link: http://www.torparse.com/a/342539/4/0/Damage+Dealt
3. Kelaeon - Operative - Lethality - 4/6/36 - 2992.77
Log Link: http://www.torparse.com/a/362479/tim...719/0/Overview
4. Bednica - Operative - Lethality 3/6/37 - 2968.96
Log Link: http://www.torparse.com/a/286633/tim...987/0/Overview
5 Thorriin - Scoundrel - Dirty Fighting - 3/7/36 - 2962 dps
Log Link: http://www.torparse.com/a/364103/tim...832/0/Overview
AMR Profile: http://swtor.askmrrobot.com/characte...1-c1e49edc09d3



Shadow/Assassin
1. M-knightrider - Shadow - Balance - 8/2/36 - 2836.74
Log Link: http://www.torparse.com/a/395977/tim...0/Damage+Dealt
AMR Profile: http://swtor.askmrrobot.com/characte...7-c98ef2f12ee6
2. Wild-berry - Shadow - Balance - 8/2/36 - 2772.97
Log Link: http://www.torparse.com/a/381118/tim...606/0/Overview
AMR Profile: http://swtor.askmrrobot.com/characte...d-16e02394559e
3. Darrokk - Shadow - Infiltration 5/36/5 - 2710.69
Log Link: http://www.torparse.com/a/320990/tim...0/Damage+Dealt
4. Jaberse - Shadow - Hybrid - 18/0/28 - 2702.67
Log Link: http://www.torparse.com/a/380914/tim...360/0/Overview
AMR Profile: http://swtor.askmrrobot.com/characte...9-6dfa7d64dbd4
5. Ketupa - Shadow - Infiltration 5/36/5 - 2700
Log Link: http://www.torparse.com/a/309448/1/0/Damage+Dealt



Vanguard/Powertech
1. Mruniverse- Vanguard- Hybrid 2/22/22- 3134.83
Log Link: http://www.torparse.com/a/363979/tim...252/0/Overview
2. TruBlood - Powertech - 2/22/22 Hybrid - 3122.98
Log Link: http://www.torparse.com/a/375789/tim...0/Damage+Dealt
3. Tan'qu - Vanguard - Hybrid 2/22/22 - 2887.01
Log Link: http://www.torparse.com/a/365606/tim...962/0/Overview
4. Pyro'n - Powertech - Hybrid - 8-22-16 - 2822.79
Log Link: http://www.torparse.com/a/376624/tim...0/Damage+Dealt
5. Blackbox - Vanguard - Hybrid - 8/11/27 - 2778
Log Link: http://www.torparse.com/a/373008/tim...0/Damage+Dealt



Here I will be noting the various classes in descending order of DPS and as a percentage of the number one spot. This list will only serve as a point of reference against the other classes ON THE COMBAT DUMMY. In actual raid settings, many classes will rise or fall. The presense of armor debuffs, inspiration, executes and other variables present in raid settings makes this an arbitrary list only useful for the purposes of this thread.
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mmjarec
09.03.2013 , 07:12 PM | #244
Yeah sins are 500 lower than the rest but they are fine according to others here

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Hambunctious
09.03.2013 , 07:38 PM | #245
Wow, infiltration assassin, and pyrotechs are awful. Damn shame it is.

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swissflamdrag
09.03.2013 , 08:30 PM | #246
Quote: Originally Posted by mmjarec View Post
Yeah sins are 500 lower than the rest but they are fine according to others here
If you buff the DPS sin to parse the same numbers as the other classes, you create a GOD class in PvP. Sins are designed with stealth in mind. BW either needs to leave them as is, or somehow make it where they are buffed in PVE but not PvP, and I have no idea if that's even possible.

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Hambunctious
09.03.2013 , 08:40 PM | #247
No class should have to suffer inadequacy in 90% of the game, which is pve, because of pvp.

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mmjarec
09.03.2013 , 11:22 PM | #248
Quote: Originally Posted by swissflamdrag View Post
If you buff the DPS sin to parse the same numbers as the other classes, you create a GOD class in PvP. Sins are designed with stealth in mind. BW either needs to leave them as is, or somehow make it where they are buffed in PVE but not PvP, and I have no idea if that's even possible.
We Arent the only class with stealth so why should others do more dmg and have more armor. Stealth is crap in pvp cu cant avoid gettif pulled out beforec u attack cause aoe spam

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akabane_k
09.03.2013 , 11:53 PM | #249
Quote: Originally Posted by swissflamdrag View Post
If you buff the DPS sin to parse the same numbers as the other classes, you create a GOD class in PvP. Sins are designed with stealth in mind. BW either needs to leave them as is, or somehow make it where they are buffed in PVE but not PvP, and I have no idea if that's even possible.
dont see anyone complaining about dps ops

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mmjarec
09.04.2013 , 04:04 PM | #250
Quote: Originally Posted by akabane_k View Post
dont see anyone complaining about dps ops
And they have a lot more dps and better defense. Either buff us or nerf everyone else wer are way outside the 15% range