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Meetra Surik(The Exile) Cooler than revan IMO

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Meetra Surik(The Exile) Cooler than revan IMO

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LadyKulvax
03.22.2013 , 03:49 AM | #341
Quote: Originally Posted by AlexDougherty View Post
Atris is dead, even if you spare her, she enters the room with the Sith holocron's which then kill her for failing, so lightside canon or no she dies.
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Atris...and_Redemption
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Spartanik
03.22.2013 , 04:36 AM | #342
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Atris is dead, even if you spare her, she enters the room with the Sith holocron's which then kill her for failing, so lightside canon or no she dies.
off course the holocrons did it.... they did not.

To be honest i never said surik wasnt important, but what luke did was a completely diferent thing imo.

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Those Jedi waiting for the real threat to appear where morons, if they had gotten organised, joined up with the Republic fleet, they could have defeated most of the Sith Triumvirate themselves, and kept force sensitives away from Darth Nihilus until he starved, them focused on finding the real threat even as the republic rebuilt.
Ah that is so debatable... specialy where there was a real sith empire out there pulling the strings on oh so manny things. If you remember what the jedi masters said Nihilius, sion wasnt the biger issue, the sith empire laying on the shadows were, they felt it and revan Knew it too.
surik basicaly was compeled to face her own demons from her past ,the events on malachor 5 that shape her and the triumvirate a like.
The threat of the triumvirate wich was a real one, was still not very clear to the republic, as it was a conflic mainly bewteen fallen jedi and jedi a like, if the full republic had been made aware of the triumvirate and the academy of malachor 5 etc, i belive they had the strengh to overcome it in time, at least military. The remaining jedi wouldnt be idle by when the triumvirate would come for them anyway. I belive that was a task only surik could do not only because she was a wound in the force, but because her wound was connected to this specific events on her past and at her present alike.
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QuiDonJorn
03.22.2013 , 05:54 AM | #343
I completely agree that Revan is sooo over-worshipped. That story was just ...meh.
In my opinion the Exile is and always was the more interesting character and KotOR2 is by far the more interesting story.

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Ventessel
03.22.2013 , 06:58 AM | #344
Quote: Originally Posted by QuiDonJorn View Post
I completely agree that Revan is sooo over-worshipped. That story was just ...meh.
In my opinion the Exile is and always was the more interesting character and KotOR2 is by far the more interesting story.
The story of TSL was more interesting, but the character of Revan is much more interesting than the character of the Exile. Part of what made TSL fascinating was exploring Revan's backstory and piecing together why he turned and what his motives were.

The Exile was really never more than a spectator to Revan's story. She was just one of his generals, the one who didn't follow him and instead returned to the Jedi because she couldn't handle the monumental consequences of her actions and instead cut herself off from the Force and wandered away.

Revan was something akin to Alexander the Great, a unifying conqueror who wasn't just some pillaging warlord, but instead someone with a grand vision. He was never really a Jedi, and never truly a Sith either. He left the Jedi behind when they wouldn't fight for what he saw to be a just cause, and then he later left the Republic behind because he didn't think it could stand up to the Sith Empire. In all, a far more interesting character than the Exile, who really did nothing more than just man up and face her demons, then kill Traya for good measure.

EDIT: So much of Star Wars has people "turning to the Dark Side" and becoming cackling egomaniacs with no sense of proportion or realistic goals other than "destroy the Jedi" or "conquer the galaxy" or "become so powerful, no one will stand against me!". But these are not the kinds of emotions that resonate with people, or make sense for most characters to experience.

What makes characters like Revan more vibrant is that they abandon the Jedi for complex reasons and are driven by realistic motives and desires.
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LadyKulvax
03.22.2013 , 08:20 AM | #345
Quote: Originally Posted by Ventessel View Post
What makes characters like Revan more vibrant is that they abandon the Jedi for complex reasons and are driven by realistic motives and desires.
Except he didn't, he turned to the Dark Side because the Emperor took control of his mind, like Alek's.
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Ventessel
03.22.2013 , 08:54 AM | #346
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Except he didn't, he turned to the Dark Side because the Emperor took control of his mind, like Alek's.
That's quite debatable. He had already been flirting with the Dark Side for a long time before that, exploring the sites of the Star Maps and poking around in Sith Tombs on Korriban. Not to mention the Trayus Academy, although BioWare is no doubt trying to retcon that into oblivion.

When he returned to the Republic, it seemed that his plan was to unite the galaxy and build a military power capable of defeating the Sith Empire of Vitiate. It doesn't seem like his mind was dominated so much as he recognized the threat that Vitiate posed and went about preparing to destroy it.

The vibe that BioWare seems to give off with Vitiate is a little stale. Token attempts to build up their pet villain to unheard of levels of power, etc.
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LadyKulvax
03.22.2013 , 09:01 AM | #347
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The vibe that BioWare seems to give off with Vitiate is a little stale. Token attempts to build up their pet villain to unheard of levels of power, etc.
They have done that at the expense of both of the original games, I remember Hall Hood claiming the Jedi Civil War was 'a small civil war most of the galaxy never saw'.
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Ventessel
03.22.2013 , 11:03 AM | #348
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They have done that at the expense of both of the original games, I remember Hall Hood claiming the Jedi Civil War was 'a small civil war most of the galaxy never saw'.
Eh, that might just be character perspective. I can't see how a war that crippled the Republic and brought a third of the galaxy under Revan's control was a "small civil war". They certainly made a huge deal out of Taris and the Rakghouls. There is a rather annoying theme running through many storylines that seems to de-emphasize a lot of the original concepts, or tweak them in different directions. Some of the Rakatan ruins have been interesting, however.

I dislike how many things feel recycled, however. The Foundry? Come on, the Star Forge was supposed to be some kind of unique and powerful construction. Apparently the galaxy is littered with magical factories.

Malgus? Hey, didn't some guy before you have exactly the same injury? Did you just steal Malak's gig because you were bored, or couldn't afford surgery?

Satele is almost identical to Bastila, except that her lightsaber is blue and instead of being a vital asset to the Republic she's... useless.

Oh, look, the Clone Troopers showed up three thousand years early. And Vitiate invented Star Destroyers! I swear, the next expansion pack will have the Death Star... but shaped like an oblate spheroid!
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Vektarulz
03.29.2013 , 04:56 PM | #349
Cannot believe people are still posting on this lol
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