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what is the diffrence between a sith and a fallen jedi

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what is the diffrence between a sith and a fallen jedi

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DarthDymond
02.25.2013 , 08:56 PM | #11
Darksider and Dark Jedi are pretty much just colloquialisms, so which one you'd use to describe a dark side force user is more a matter of preference than anything.

But the Sith are a specific order of (dark side) force users tracing their history back to the Sith species and the banished Jedi who conquered them:
The Original Sith Empire:
7,000 Years Before the Battle of Yavin (which happened in Star Wars: Ep IV): Ajunta Pall and other banished Jedi enslave the Sith species - 5,000 BBY: Naga Sadow and the Empire are almost completely destroyed in the Great Hyperspace War.
The Lost Tribe of the Sith:
5,000 BBY: A warship of the Original Sith Empire crashes on the planet Kesh, the survivors conquer the planet but are stranded there - 40 Years After the Battle of Yavin: The Tribe regain space-flight and come into conflict with the Jedi.
The SW:TOR Sith Empire:
5,000 BBY: The Sith Emperor brings survivors of the Original Sith Empire to Dromund Kaas and begins rebuilding - ??? SW:TOR takes place about 3,640 BBY
The Brotherhood of the Sith:
4,000 BBY: Fallen Jedi Exar Kun and Ulic Qel-Droma become corrupted by Sith teachings and spirits and form an army of cultists, fallen Jedi and Mandalorians but are soon defeated/destroyed in the Great Sith War.
Revan and Malak's Sith Empire/Sith Triumvirate:
3,960 BBY: Jedi Revan and Malak are corrupted by the Mandalorian War and an encounter with the Sith Emperor and break away from the Republic, creating a new Sith Empire that goes to war with the Republic (The Jedi Civil War) - 3,955 BBY: The Empire is defeated in the Jedi Civil War, the last remnants of it are defeated in the Dark Wars (3,950 BBY).
New Sith Empire/Several Sith Warlords/Kingdoms/Cults:
Around 2,000 BBY: A fallen Jedi takes the name Darth Ruin and forms a new Sith Empire, after his death several fractured Sith kingdoms remain, fighting amongst themselves as well as the Republic/Jedi throughout the Republic Dark Ages - 1,010 BBY: The surviving Sith groups are reunited as the Brotherhood of Darkness.
The Brotherhood of Darkness:
1,010 BBY: Lord Kaan reunites or conquers the surviving Sith groups - 1,000 BBY: The Brotherhood is destroyed at the end of the Light and Darkness War, mainly due to the betrayal of Darth Bane.
The Order of the Sith Lords:
1,000 BBY: Darth Bane betrays the Brotherhood of Darkness and forms the Rule of Two: One Master, One Apprentice, allowing the Sith to survive in secret until Palpatine/Darth Sidious forms the Galactic Empire - 40 ABY: The last(?) Master/Apprentice pair of Sith Lords are defeated by the Jedi.
The One Sith:
Sometime between 4 ABY and 30 ABY: A fallen Jedi, corrupted in part by a renegade member of the Order of the Sith Lords, takes the name Darth Krayt and forms a new Sith order not limited to two members - 140 ABY: After conquering most of the galaxy between 120-130 ABY, the Sith are defeated at the end of the Second Imperial Civil War and the remaining members go underground to bide their time and recover.

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jediakm
02.25.2013 , 09:38 PM | #12
Quote: Originally Posted by psandak View Post
Well...
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But those that are true sith look down upo those that are mostly human. and there are those that join, making up more than 2 percent. and since when has hk known everything? lol

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Bigalmou
02.25.2013 , 10:45 PM | #13
I was under the impression Sith ideologies and concepts were more akin to a culture or way of life used by the sith species that became more mainstream after they emerged from Korriban.

Dark Jedi are people with Jedi teachings who use the dark side of the Force instead of the light.

And I use dark sider to refer too anyone not connected too Sith or Jedi that uses the dark side.

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CaptianFordo
02.25.2013 , 11:14 PM | #14
Some of the most powerful Sith ever have been fallen Jedi. But that doesn't necessarily mean a Fallen Jedi and a Sith are the same thing.
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Adriaticon
02.26.2013 , 12:06 AM | #15
As far as I am aware the sith were a race of beings native to Korriban who utilised the dark side of the force. This can be seen as something akin to the night sisters of dathomir, kind of raw and tribal, kinda like a philosophical school of thought within a practice of dark side ritual/sorcery.

Traditionally they did not use lightsabers, In the cannon Jedi too, we're a race with the first true Jedi being a called skywalker. Dark Jedi are just as the name states. To be a Jedi you must first be inducted into the Jedi philosophy, then fall to the dark side eg fallen Jedi eg Vader, Exar Kun, Revan, Caedus, Count Dooku. A sith never was a Jedi, eg Naga Sadow, Marka Ragnos, Darth Maul, Sidious.

Modern Sith are a kind of perversion of the historical sith, kind of the love children of fallen Jedi and the historical sith philosophy of darkside sorcery. Note there is also a distinction between dark Jedi and fallen Jedi, grey or twighlight Jedi. Consider these the chaotic neutral, lawful neutral and neutral Jedi for lack of a better discription.
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Kaedusz
02.26.2013 , 06:54 AM | #16
Quote: Originally Posted by AlexDougherty View Post
Dark Jedi/Fallen Jedi= Jedi who have turned to the darkside.
Sith= initially a race of Darksiders, later an organisation/order who follow the philosophy of the original sith, mostly humans.
Darksiders= Force users who use the darkside, not necessarily aligned with any order/organisation/philosophy.
This.

Would also like to add that the situation is the same as the mandalorians.
The original species died out,but their religion,philosophy and ideology lived on,and its members call themselves sith , mandalorians

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Nydus
02.26.2013 , 01:07 PM | #17
Sith are not "Dark Jedi".

Sith follow a particular Code, while Jedi follow a different Code.

Dark Jedi are Jedi who have stopped following their Code.

I'm not sure there is an equivalent for the Sith. The Sith code is so selfish and individualistic that any behavior can be justified by it, even light side behaviour.

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Slowpokeking
03.01.2013 , 06:22 PM | #18
Quote: Originally Posted by Nydus View Post
Sith are not "Dark Jedi".

Sith follow a particular Code, while Jedi follow a different Code.

Dark Jedi are Jedi who have stopped following their Code.

I'm not sure there is an equivalent for the Sith. The Sith code is so selfish and individualistic that any behavior can be justified by it, even light side behaviour.

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XantosCledwin
03.01.2013 , 10:03 PM | #19
Quote: Originally Posted by legolegion View Post
I just curious what people think on this
me personaly would say sith is brought up with darkside thus has control over it
while a fallen jedi scumbs is more prone to exsess as s/he is suddenly imersed in the dark side
any opion`s?
well there are a couple of ways to answer this.

First, and most obvious for people playing this game is that the Sith, unlike the Jedi, are a Race of people native to the planet Korriban. The Sith have an inherent attunement to the Dark Side of the Force as a racial trait. Their social structure is largely what paved the way to the creation of the order that would later share the same name as their race.

The Jedi on the other hand are derived from a Monastic Order that traces it's origin to Je'daii Order of Tython (Jedi being simply a shortening of the name of that original order). The Tythonian Order was dedicated to pioneering the development of Force Understanding. Though this occurred centuries before the discovery of the Sith Homeworld by the majority of the rest of the Galaxy.

So really the difference between a Sith and a Fallen Jedi amounts to whether one has been initiated into the Jedi Order, and whether one has also been initiated into the Sith Order. In the case of Dark Jedi such as Count Dooku, and Anakin Skywalker, the answer would be "There is no difference between a Fallen Jedi and a Sith." But in the case of a Sith such as Emperor Palpatine, the answer is "He was never a Jedi to begin with, so he wouldn't qualify as a Fallen Jedi."

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AlexDougherty
03.02.2013 , 08:17 AM | #20
Quote: Originally Posted by Slowpokeking View Post
All Dark Siders are Dark Jedi, that include the Sith.
If you actually read the other posts you might see why that argument is clearly not winning.
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