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why are people freaking out about Ilum in 1.7?

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why are people freaking out about Ilum in 1.7?

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oslek
01.19.2013 , 10:29 AM | #81
Quote: Originally Posted by ZORG View Post
What the PVPrs don't seem to get is this.

There is a reason there are PVP servers and PVE servers.

Most NOT ALL but most PVErs despise the pvp scene.
There should be NO requirement in ANY quest on a PVE server to PVP at all what so ever.
When you play on a PVP server you accept the fact that PVP is the sole purpose of the server and expect PVP.

Bioware should recognize this and provide ways for those who desire PVP to move to a PVP server.
Bioware should only let the part time pvpers to attain pvp goals through warzones and such on a PVE server.
There should ALSO be PVP gear you can only get on a PVP server. After of course they provide a way for people to transfer to a PVP server.

Conversely there should be PVE gear you can ONLY get on a PVE server.
I am not saying STAT WISE these sets are BIS just a way to have some exclusivity between the 2 communities.
If there are Really kewl PVP gear sets only on the PVP servers then people will move or have toons on both.

I don't think there should be a mix of the two. PVP on a PVE server should be WARZONES only. or by CHOICE if you CHOOSE to flag yourself.
Or by CHOICE if you CHOOSE to fly to the PVP planet. Sorry that the PVP scene bothers you, but segregating PVE and PVP players is stupid and bioware is doing this the right way. The only reason you have PVP servers is because that's for people that enjoy PVP any time any place anywhere. Not everyone that PVPs enjoys it to that extent. They like having certain parts of the game to go to get their PVP fix.This content is not neccessary to enjoy the game and it's a fix that many of us have been asking for since Ilum shut down a year ago. If you don't like PVP, then avoid the western part of Ilum. Simple.

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micnevv
01.19.2013 , 10:53 AM | #82
I like how you're all complaining as if bioware were to change the mechanics and location of this event within a week.
Suck it up, there's nothing you can do at this point so either participate in the new event or don't.

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Icestar
01.19.2013 , 11:01 AM | #83
It will be AWESOME

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Raideag
01.19.2013 , 11:08 AM | #84
What I think the problem is the Marketing Departments wording in the article talking about the up-coming change.

For instance they used the words "In-Game Event" instead of just saying ilum's PvP Revamp is coming. Considering it did say located in the Western Ice Shelf of Ilum, Which is where the Open PvP is located. People just read In-Game event and start freaking because they don't want to miss an in-game event and they have to PvP so they start to complain.

It also said that it will be a Re-Curring event. I'm actually looking forward to the new Ilum PvP revamp.
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skiibyrd
01.19.2013 , 11:23 AM | #85
Quote: Originally Posted by oslek View Post
This content is not neccessary to enjoy the game and it's a fix that many of us have been asking for since Ilum shut down a year ago. If you don't like PVP, then avoid the western part of Ilum. Simple.
Agreed. Like I said before, the only issue with the PvP on Ilum last time was the engine could not support the large scale battles, and there was only a .5 framerate.

I dont think they will do something that will run a person's PvE gameplay, or vice versa.... I mean, how bad could it be, its not like every player will be infected by some horrible pague, turn different colors, and eventually blow up if they dont carry around an antidote... that would just be ridiculous!!!

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oslek
01.19.2013 , 11:36 AM | #86
Quote: Originally Posted by Raideag View Post
What I think the problem is the Marketing Departments wording in the article talking about the up-coming change.

For instance they used the words "In-Game Event" instead of just saying ilum's PvP Revamp is coming. Considering it did say located in the Western Ice Shelf of Ilum, Which is where the Open PvP is located. People just read In-Game event and start freaking because they don't want to miss an in-game event and they have to PvP so they start to complain.

It also said that it will be a Re-Curring event. I'm actually looking forward to the new Ilum PvP revamp.
I really don't get how players can PVE all the time and not get bored. After running the same dailies over and over again against the same AI that fights exactly the same every single time how can you not get bored? Sure Bioware can create another OP or Flashpoint, but it's still the same thing in a different place.

PVP in this game is nowhere near as fatal as it used to be in past games. If you lose your gear won't be stolen from you by the other player, your gear won't degrade any different than if a NPC killed you,. Heck, you don't even have to worry about trash talk as cross faction chat is disabled in this game. I think some players just can't stand losing. They prefer to play the predictable NPC so that in their minds they'll always be the hero of the universe that can't die.

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CommanderKeeva
01.19.2013 , 12:11 PM | #87
My 2 cents on the subject:

I don't really mind a world boss in a PvP area, especially considering that we already had an infected bantha boss in Outlaw's Den in the Rakghoul Outbreak event. THAT is not the issue.

The issue is:

1. What have they done to balance factions? On my server (The Progenitor) the Imperials always brought more people (often twice or three times as many), so Republic inevitably got steamrolled in any organized event. Saw this from both perspectives. I can get friends and guild members to get an ops group going but I can't do anything if more people join on the opposing side.

Or maybe everyone will switch to Imperial alts but then where will be the PvP?

2. What have they done to improve the performance of the hero engine? Are we going to battle again at 5 fps? No one likes a slideshow...

3. Are we going to have large mob battles again? If so how will the melee be useful? In the 1.1 mob battles ranged DPS and healers were casting AoE on each other while the tanks and melee stood idly doing nothing. If they charged, they died before they could kill anyone.

These questions imho are a LOT more important than being PvP flagged while you fight a world boss.
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veyl
01.19.2013 , 12:21 PM | #88
Quote: Originally Posted by oslek View Post
Heck, you don't even have to worry about trash talk as cross faction chat is disabled in this game. I think some players just can't stand losing.
Say chat is not disabled. You can trash talk all you want as you're killing someone.

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CommanderKeeva
01.19.2013 , 12:41 PM | #89
My 2 cents on the subject:

I don't really mind a world boss in a PvP area, especially considering that we already had an infected bantha boss in Outlaw's Den in Rakghoul Outbreak event. THAT is not the issue.

The issue is:

1. What have they done to balance factions? On my server (The Progenitor) the Imperials always brought more people (often twice or three times as many), so Republic inevitably got steamrolled in any organized event. Saw this from both perspectives. I can get friends and guild members to get an ops group going but I can't do anything if more people join on the opposing side.

Or maybe everyone will switch to Imperial alts but then where will be the PvP?

2. What have they done to improve the performance of the hero engine? Are we going to battle again at 5 fps? No one likes a slideshow...

3. Are we going to have large mob battles again? If so how will the melee be useful? In the 1.1 mob battles ranged DPS and healers were casting AoE on each other while the tanks and melee stood idly doing nothing. If they charged, they died before they could kill anyone.

These questions imho are a LOT more important than being PvP flagged while you fight a world boss.
BEING A GOOD SOLDIER COMES DOWN TO ONE THING, ONE SINGLE QUESTION:
WHAT ARE YOU PREPARED TO SACRIFICE?

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Arvig
01.19.2013 , 12:55 PM | #90
Quote: Originally Posted by skiibyrd View Post
Serioiusly, do people not visit and quest on Ilum already... a planet where there already is PvP area's, and a place you can be steamrolled if your not careful? I would also like to point out, to those with concern, that Ilum had a specific and DEDICATED place for PvP area last time, it was not the whole planet, and it seems like a lot of people with concern are just freaking out for no reason.

*Get some recruit gear

*Prepare yourself for PvP (and if your playing on a PvP server, then please DO NOT complain about open world PvP, its what you chose to do)

*Practice, and play some PvP matches... it isnt brain science

People have gotten too comforable with this game, and are used to sitting on the fleet for most of their play time, a place where they are safe. If I had it my way, the fleet would be destroyed, and you would have the chance of being attacked anywhere, at anytime. If they do this right, it could really add a very important element to this game that its been lacking for almost a whole year.

Those of us who have been here since the beginning, and experienced Ilum and its open would PvP would probably agree that the issue of it being released is NOT you being attacked, its going to be if the engine can support the large scale battles, and not play at only .5 framerate, then crash your game.
So what you are saying is people should HAVE to participate in a open world pvp zone, even if they intentionally signed onto a pve server.

It has nothing to do with being "comfortable" with the game, it has to do with not wanting to participate in a specific playstyle.

If I were to force you to always roleplay and be in character, even if you hated roleplaying would you be happy?

I have no issues with pvp, I haven't done it in a few months but I do have some adequate pvp gear. But that doesn't mean I wish to go into the open world pvp zones.

Now if the event in 1.7 is pure pvp only, then I suppose that will be moot. But if it is a pve event shoved in the middle of a pvp zone, I don't think that was proper at all.

YES, people do go to Ilum to do dailies. But that again is pve. They aren't going to the open pvp area.