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I do not agree with the inclusion of SGRs.

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I do not agree with the inclusion of SGRs.
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Genuine
01.18.2013 , 07:32 PM | #531
Have to say there is more impotent things that need sorting out and added on my list then SGRs in game, that being said as an old time bioware gamer it is crazy that they where not added at game launch

all in all i don't mind them adding SGR's but i do think there is more impotent issues to sort out In-Game
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01.18.2013 , 07:53 PM | #532
@HK perhaps if you posted normal considering you ARE an actual normal person and NOT HK-47 or HK-57. At the very least stop insulting people by calling us "meatbags". That said, you can simply tell the SGR Compatible Companion that you are not interested in them along with not clicking on the [flirt] Option and guess what, the Romance ends or doesn't get started period. Want to know how I know that? I know that that is how it will be with the SGR Compatible Companion because THAT is how ALL Romance Compatible Companions work currently.

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markcymru
01.18.2013 , 08:07 PM | #533
Quote: Originally Posted by HKtheindomitable View Post
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Clarification: What I'm speaking of, though it involves sgr, I'm speaking more from a companion sgr aspect than not. Those who don't want to pursue SGR with their companions don't want their same gender companions coming on to them. For those who don't know, there are some companions that initiate flirting before the player does. Making it toggle on/off or available as an optional download is not wrongful discriminating.

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Explanation: It's not a negative discrimination to make it turn on or off or be an option for companions. It's available for those who want it, but it's not forced upon those who don't.

Admission: Now if they can add dialogue that makes it subtle, say a companion gives a compliment that doesn't imply SGR and THEN you have the option to pursue sgr, then fine. Those who don't want to can just ignore it and those who do will pursue it. Bam! No discrimination period.
I repeat an earlier post:

A switch with 4 settings (all romances on, SGRs on, OGRs on, no romances on) would not be discriminatory, because it treats all players and all types of romances equally.

A toggle that was exclusively for switching SGRs on or off would be discriminatory. To understand why, imagine the reverse: SGRs always on, but a toggle that would allow OGRs to be switched on and off.
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01.18.2013 , 10:05 PM | #534
Quote: Originally Posted by markcymru View Post
I repeat an earlier post:

A switch with 4 settings (all romances on, SGRs on, OGRs on, no romances on) would not be discriminatory, because it treats all players and all types of romances equally.

A toggle that was exclusively for switching SGRs on or off would be discriminatory. To understand why, imagine the reverse: SGRs always on, but a toggle that would allow OGRs to be switched on and off.
I would take that further and say the only way it would be non-discriminatory would be to lump all relationships together in the toggle. The only toggle available would turn ALL relationships on or off.

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GalenMourne
01.18.2013 , 11:33 PM | #535
This post is for all the people who keep making comments about taking away resources from other forms of content by including sgr's.

The people who write the stories and design the quests are not the people who fix bugs, create warzones, fp's ,raids, ui features, minigames or the like. The development team is split into different departments that work on different things. They don't all share the same skill set, and are not a bunch of generalists. I would not want artists trying to debug code, or creating code for a new warzone.

This planet has been in the works for a long time. The money was spend for the voice actors, the artwork and the quests, and has not taken way from anything else. You people are using this as a way to veil your fear and bigotry behind thin arguments without sounding like a complete jerk. The only logical way to argue against them is to say we don't want makeb at all, because that is were the money went, not sgr dialogue.

The only way your arguments stands up is if you are so delusional that you think that LGBT content cost more money for writers, actors, artists and quests designers to develop. Utter foolishness.

So in conclusion: writers and quest designers don't fix bugs, design fp's ,ops or warzones, and they don't design ui features or minigames. They do the job they are paid for. Stop trying to hide fear and bigotry behind these idiotic arguments. Anyone with any common sense understands everything i just ranted on. Just stop because you are making yourself look stupid.
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theUndead
01.19.2013 , 01:50 AM | #536
Quote: Originally Posted by HKtheindomitable View Post
Statement: Someone quoted one of my posts, but I can't find it. The one that quoted said that BioWare says that a toggle is a form of discrimination against sgr.

Statement: If that's the case, then not having it is a form of discrimination against those who don't want sgr.

Exclamation: Take that, meatbags!

Conclusion: That's why an optional download is better than forcing it on everybody who doesn't want it, and is easier to do than a toggle. My suggestion continues to stand.
It me who quoted you. For some reason my post was removed but anyway, I tend to believe that if a toggle were to be implemented at all then it should be for all romances because as I have said Bioware have stated that to place a switch on SGR in their minds is discriminatory. Not my words theirs.
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01.19.2013 , 02:12 AM | #537
I agree with mostly everyone in this thread. BW you need to give reason why you selected this to be over other important things this game needs.
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Kahotep
01.19.2013 , 03:26 AM | #538
Quote: Originally Posted by Kazjan View Post
I agree with mostly everyone in this thread. BW you need to give reason why you selected this to be over other important things this game needs.
I think many of us are getting tired of pointing out that any MMO development team has different groups with different specialties working on different things concurrently.

Also, throwing more devs at one feature does not necessarily get it developed faster. There will be an optimum team size which gets the job done as efficiently and effectively as possible.

Also, BW spends it's money how it wants. It doesn't do things on a whim and everything will be carefully costed on a cost vs impact on the player base .... erm ... basis. Spending money on one feature does not mean that they have taken money from another feature, because ...

*Deep breath* .. Also, there may be a limit to the number of new systems which can be implemented at once. Each system in the code has to interact with others and will impact their performance. Try to change too many systems at once or try to add too many new systems at once and we would inevitably see even more bugs arising. They can work on SGR on Makeb concurrently with adding/improving game systems because it is not a new system. It is simply new story content.

Now, can we all stop posting this "because they are adding sgr to Makeb, that means they are not working on *insert your demand here*" crap?

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CorellianWannabe
01.19.2013 , 07:50 AM | #539
Quote: Originally Posted by Pvtcarnage View Post
This is not a romantic themed game it's a star wars themed game. And do I hate romantic scenes in a action flic? Yes.......
Because Star Wars never had any of that icky romance, right? Han and Leia, Anakin and Padme-waste of minutes that could have shown more fighting! Hell, drop the dialogue too-no one's watching to hear talking! MOAR FIGHTING!

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Royox
01.19.2013 , 11:01 AM | #540
Quote: Originally Posted by TimothyJForde View Post
Don't like SGR? Then don't have one. You know... The same way you deal with it in real life?
So, like in real life, don't force current straight companions to begin a SGR. Make 1-2 new companion to be SGR for every class (I say 1-2 because all my chars only have 1 companion with allows romance -.- ). Don't touch what we have.

/deal.