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I do not agree with the inclusion of SGRs.

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I do not agree with the inclusion of SGRs.
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Altyrell
01.07.2013 , 10:43 AM | #221
Quote: Originally Posted by TheBBP View Post
It is of my belief that an SGR feature is wanted by a small minority of the overall community because there has been no evidence presented to me that says otherwise. If you would like to change my mind about it, I will certainly look at your proof. Outside of that, there is nothing wrong with me stating my opinion.
There is if it will continue to end up derailing this thread. So I will ask again nicely, please stop referring to the amount of people who want &/or use SGR's as being a small amount or any variation thereof cause while it is your opinion, you don't have any proof to back up such a claim and by saying that it will only cause a derailment of your thread &/or cause people to get angry and flame the thread causing it to be locked for cleansing or worse, so again, pretty please stop referring to the amount of people as being a small amount or any variation thereof.

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Rygho
01.07.2013 , 11:48 AM | #222
Quote: Originally Posted by TheBBP View Post
I understand that most forum-goers do not like to read all of the posts in a multi-page thread (I am guilty of this as well) so I will repeat what has already been said and elaborate a little.

I have followed this game very closely since day 1. I am the 176th person to register at this site and have been very active here. We knew that SGRs were coming eventually as this was told to us LONG ago. What I do not agree with is that they were given precedence over other far more needed features that would have benefited far more people.

This thread has absolutely nothing to do with whether or not I think that they should be in the game. This thread is about what I believe to be is misplaced priorities by the devs.
They were not given precedence over other "far more needed features". Here's the list of the 78 separate patches that have gone live as a reminder:
http://www.swtor.com/patchnotes

That includes the six major content patches:

1.1.0 Rise of the Rakghouls
http://www.swtor.com/patchnotes/1.1.0/rise-rakghouls

1.2.0 Legacy
http://www.swtor.com/patchnotes/1.2.0/legacy

1.3.0 Allies
http://www.swtor.com/patchnotes/1.3.0/allies

1.4.0 Terror From Beyond
http://www.swtor.com/patchnotes/1.4.0/terror-beyond

1.5.0 HK-51 Activated
http://www.swtor.com/patchnotes/1.5.0/hk-51-activated

1.6.0 Ancient Hypergate
http://www.swtor.com/patchnotes/1.6.0/ancient-hypergate

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Nitblade
01.07.2013 , 02:38 PM | #223
Quote: Originally Posted by Royox View Post
But not before other most important content.

Again. We are not agains SGR. We want BW to focus into other most important things to help this game. SGR will not help this game to have more subbers. Epic and cool stuff will.
OK I'll play your game.
As they have already waited 12 months and most probably another 3 to go for a total of 15 months since launch before the implementation of SGR content.
How Much Longer do you want them to wait for Any content?

PvP fans have waited... never mind they already had updates
Ops fans have waited... never mind they already had updates
Flashpoint fans have waited... never mind they already had updates
Bug Fixes... Every patch has them, They have their own dedicated development team

Quote: Originally Posted by Royox View Post
SGR will not help this game to have more subbers.
Only thing I have to say.
Different people, different taste.
You, Personally, are not attracted to it. But there are people that are, and would sub for that reason.
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Royox
01.07.2013 , 02:54 PM | #224
Quote: Originally Posted by Nitblade View Post
Only thing I have to say.
Different people, different taste.
You, Personally, are not attracted to it. But there are people that are, and would sub for that reason.
Indeed. But let's play a mini-game here to make my point clear:

-You can make a massive announcement for all the internet (youtube, google....what you want).
-Swtor's fate depends of your announcement. If people don't join this game because your announcement SWTOR dies.
-You have to chose one of these features to announce:
- We have SGR.
-We have PVP space battles.


What would you choose?

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Tattari
01.07.2013 , 02:58 PM | #225
Quote: Originally Posted by Nitblade View Post
OK I'll play your game.
As they have already waited 12 months and most probably another 3 to go for a total of 15 months since launch before the implementation of SGR content.
How Much Longer do you want them to wait for Any content?

PvP fans have waited... never mind they already had updates
Ops fans have waited... never mind they already had updates
Flashpoint fans have waited... never mind they already had updates
Bug Fixes... Every patch has them, They have their own dedicated development team



Only thing I have to say.
Different people, different taste.
You, Personally, are not attracted to it. But there are people that are, and would sub for that reason.
THANK YOU. Thank you thank you thank you.

Bug fixes, Flashpoints, Warzones, and PvP have had the highest priority in this game so far. And I will not at all be surprised that they get more FPs, WZs, and PvP crap when Makeb comes out (along with bug fixes, but that is expected in every patch). We'll just ALSO happen to get some NPC SGR [flirts]. So really, who has the highest priority anyway? They can kindly get their panties out of twist and let us have this one little bone to gnaw until we finally get companion SGRs.

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Tattari
01.07.2013 , 03:00 PM | #226
Quote: Originally Posted by Royox View Post
Indeed. But let's play a mini-game here to make my point clear:

-You can make a massive announcement for all the internet (youtube, google....what you want).
-Swtor's fate depends of your announcement. If people don't join this game because your announcement SWTOR dies.
-You have to chose one of these features to announce:
- We have SGR.
-We have PVP space battles.


What would you choose?
SGR

We can all play that game. Not everyone will choose PvP, as you seem to be OH SO CONFIDANT at expecting.

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TheBBP
01.07.2013 , 03:07 PM | #227
Quote: Originally Posted by Rygho View Post
They were not given precedence over other "far more needed features". Here's the list of the 78 separate patches that have gone live as a reminder:
http://www.swtor.com/patchnotes

That includes the six major content patches:
snip...
Thank you for your respectful contribution.

I am not saying that everything else has been ignored. All I am saying is that I believe that SGRs do something for such a small portion of the fan base. There are things like guild functionality, server transfers and optimization issues (just to name a few) that I believe that would have done way more for the masses.
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chuixupu
01.07.2013 , 05:17 PM | #228
Quote: Originally Posted by Royox View Post
-You have to chose one of these features to announce:
- We have SGR.
-We have PVP space battles.


What would you choose?
They announce whatever it is that they have coming up next, and in this case it's a new planet, with new story, new companions with more options, level cap, new abilities, new quest mechanics, and whatever else they're planning on announcing. They don't need to announce SGRs. It's just extended options related to story choices.

The department that has been working on the "super space project" isn't the same people that work on story content and they're obviously not ready to release it, and that possibly isn't even PVP related (since we know NOTHING about the SSSP other than that it's not anything like the current on rail space game). The engine may not even be capable of pvp space combat as it is.
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-IceHawk-
01.07.2013 , 05:23 PM | #229
There is a single mega-thread on SGRAs in the Lore forum, true.

And roughly half of the posters in that thread argue with the cadre of vocal proponents.

If given the choice between a PVP balance patch and full Companion SGRA, which do you think the community would pick?

Given a choice between individualized Chapter 4s with the continuation of existing Companion arcs or full Companion SGRA, which do you think the community would pick?

New Flashpoints vs. SGRA?

New Operation vs. SGRA?

I am sorry, while there is a vocal minority of the playerbase that values this above the rest a quick glance across these forums demonstrates that the priorities of the majority-vocal playerbase is PVP balance and new story content.

Same-Gender Romance Arcs are generally sought...but not at the expense of the other content.

And yes, given the reality of financial-support development time spent on SGRAs is development time not spent on other story content by definition.

Bioware needs to balance PVP, address the multitude of year-old bugs, optimize its client, fulfill its obligations to the CE community, and then it can address SGRA along with new story content.

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Royox
01.07.2013 , 06:04 PM | #230
Quote: Originally Posted by -IceHawk- View Post
There is a single mega-thread on SGRAs in the Lore forum, true.

And roughly half of the posters in that thread argue with the cadre of vocal proponents.

If given the choice between a PVP balance patch and full Companion SGRA, which do you think the community would pick?

Given a choice between individualized Chapter 4s with the continuation of existing Companion arcs or full Companion SGRA, which do you think the community would pick?

New Flashpoints vs. SGRA?

New Operation vs. SGRA?

I am sorry, while there is a vocal minority of the playerbase that values this above the rest a quick glance across these forums demonstrates that the priorities of the majority-vocal playerbase is PVP balance and new story content.

Same-Gender Romance Arcs are generally sought...but not at the expense of the other content.

And yes, given the reality of financial-support development time spent on SGRAs is development time not spent on other story content by definition.

Bioware needs to balance PVP, address the multitude of year-old bugs, optimize its client, fulfill its obligations to the CE community, and then it can address SGRA along with new story content.
This. This sumarizes the whole purpose of this thread.