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I do not agree with the inclusion of SGRs.

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I do not agree with the inclusion of SGRs.
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Royox
01.06.2013 , 12:02 PM | #201
Quote: Originally Posted by Lent_San View Post
So it makes sense to implement stuff that other MMOs don't have. Like romance content, which includes SGR content.
But not before other most important content.

Again. We are not agains SGR. We want BW to focus into other most important things to help this game. SGR will not help this game to have more subbers. Epic and cool stuff will.

And reading your post again
>Implying this is not a WoW clone.


Quote: Originally Posted by imnotawitch View Post
And how many "SGR" topics were there. I know there may not be as many new ones, but there is a HUGE one in the Story and Lore forums with quite a devoted following. And I would much rather have SGR than pazzak or more pvp.
If you prefer SGR before pazaak or Arenas, or Swoops then you don't play SWTOR as an MMO. You are playing it as a Single Player game.

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imnotawitch
01.06.2013 , 12:16 PM | #202
Quote: Originally Posted by Royox View Post
If you prefer SGR before pazaak or Arenas, or Swoops then you don't play SWTOR as an MMO. You are playing it as a Single Player game.
Uh, no, I do plenty of things in the game besides blackscreen up my companions in romances. I go on ops, I do hard modes, I do dailies, I start silly discussions about my cat in fleet general chat, I run lowbies through flashpoints because sometimes I just feel nice, and I do giveaways, also because sometimes I just feel nice. Just because I wouldn't play Pazaak, Swoops, or Arenas doesn't mean I don't play the game as an MMO.
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irishfino
01.06.2013 , 12:25 PM | #203
SGR is presented in the story of Makeb. It's part of the story update. It's not a mini-game with rules, it's story content. Leaving story content out of a story content update would be rather silly, wouldn't it?

Pazaak, Sabaac, HoloChess, Swoop Racing: these are all mini-games that have nothing to do with a story update. BW has said they are working on it, but there's no time table presented. Open World PvP: being worked on. All these things are being worked on.

I'm not sure where people are getting the idea that these things were shelved in place of SGR.

Not to mention that everything that will be in Makeb hasn't been released yet because it's still in development.
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chuixupu
01.06.2013 , 12:36 PM | #204
Quote: Originally Posted by irishfino View Post
SGR is presented in the story of Makeb. It's part of the story update. It's not a mini-game with rules, it's story content. Leaving story content out of a story content update would be rather silly, wouldn't it?

Pazaak, Sabaac, HoloChess, Swoop Racing: these are all mini-games that have nothing to do with a story update. BW has said they are working on it, but there's no time table presented. Open World PvP: being worked on. All these things are being worked on.

I'm not sure where people are getting the idea that these things were shelved in place of SGR.

Not to mention that everything that will be in Makeb hasn't been released yet because it's still in development.
I've said the same thing multiple times, but people continue to want to act like the took the whole development team and forced them to focus on SGR rather than it being a little extra tweaking of the promised story content (Makeb) that they've been talking about since last spring.
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Altyrell
01.06.2013 , 12:37 PM | #205
Quote: Originally Posted by Royox View Post
But surelly minigames and pvp stuff can help a lot more to this game than SGR. Just look how many "pazaak" topics are opened every single day. Yesterday there were about 5 new topics about pazaak.
Ok, PvP is still going to be shown the love and chances are Mini-Games will still be added. Most Mini-Games either don't need much from the Writing Department, if at all. The only ones that might would be Swoop Racing, but even then, most of what would be added is from other Department and not the Writing or Voice Over Department.

Also to those that are saying adding Mini-Games are easy to do, no actually it isn't. Adding Pazaak, Sabacc, or Swoop Racing to an MMO is a lot harder then say adding them to Single Player Games like KOTOR 1 & 2. Cause with Swoop Racing, you have Course Layouts, What Worlds can they utilize, How many Racers per Course or should it be only 1 Racer on a course, how many laps, if betting should be allowed, how would "PvP" Racing work, etc. With Pazaak/Sabacc you have how would handing out Cards work, what kind of decks should be created, how should the decks be sold, where all should Tables be at, how should Pazaak & Sabacc Tables be spread out, how many tables per locations, how to handle new players coming in while old players leave the tables, should a new window open up or not, among other things.

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Altyrell
01.06.2013 , 12:48 PM | #206
Quote: Originally Posted by irishfino View Post
SGR is presented in the story of Makeb. It's part of the story update. It's not a mini-game with rules, it's story content. Leaving story content out of a story content update would be rather silly, wouldn't it?

Pazaak, Sabaac, HoloChess, Swoop Racing: these are all mini-games that have nothing to do with a story update. BW has said they are working on it, but there's no time table presented. Open World PvP: being worked on. All these things are being worked on.

I'm not sure where people are getting the idea that these things were shelved in place of SGR.

Not to mention that everything that will be in Makeb hasn't been released yet because it's still in development.
Not to mention those Mini-Games actually require a lot more Resources, Work, Thought Process, etc then SGR's do. With the SGR's, the hardest parts are writing the words without coming off as obvious stereotypical and having Voice Overs that don't come off as stereotypical.

And by stereotypical, in this sense, I am referring to the stereotypical gay male of being flamboyant and sounding feminine and the stereotypical lesbian of being butch and dressing more masculine then other women.

Cause if SGR's were to be added in with most/all SGR NPC's and in the future Companions that are done to be like the above Stereotypes, then that would be a lot more problematic and cause more PR Problems.

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CorellianWannabe
01.06.2013 , 08:57 PM | #207
Quote: Originally Posted by MajikMyst View Post
It is statements like that, that show just how weak your views are.. Do you really believe that more people in the gaming community want SGR, than Pazzak or Swoop races?? Or are you just saying that in hopes that someone will will actually believe you?? Heck, dual specc'ing and guild capital ships gets suggested more than SGR..

Just go back and read this thread.. I am glad you can make a list.. We all can make a list.. But only one list had to put someone else's list down in attempt to give themsevles some credibility.. It is quoted above..

This issue is about priorities, not putting someone down or their post down.. Nobody is saying that SGR's shouldn't be added.. Just that the resources shouldn't be used at this time to add them.. There are other things, more pressing things that should be addressed..

Now please.. Do not put my post down again.. It is unwarranted and doesn't help your cause.. Everyone is entitled to their own list and I wouldn't presume to speak for other folks.. As for what the player base wants?? I will let the forums speak for themselves..
So when should they be added in your opinion? There will never be infinite resources to work on everything at the same time. To you new operations (that will be abandoned as obsolete when the next new one appears) will always be more 'valuable' than SGR content. As for the forums, seems to me that the player base wants Bioware devs' heads on platters and for the game to become some mythical Warhammer/SWG/WoW cross-bred beast.

Why waste time with a new operation that will be farmed to death for 2 months then never touched again because players burned themselves out on it? Why not create more story content, something this game pounded its chest so proudly about?

If Bioware really wanted to know what players thought they would use in-game polls-free players don't get to use the forum so their opinions are apparently worthless to some people, no matter how much they may spend.

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CorellianWannabe
01.06.2013 , 08:59 PM | #208
Quote: Originally Posted by SilentKitty View Post
I have friends who just run War Zones, every now and then they go out to do perhaps a little bit of story-q's. One of my PvP-friends just turned up on the fleet with his new JC and Nadia. I commented on how fast he was lvl:ing and that was a cute outfit he had for Nadia. He said something to the equivalent of "Who?" . Me: "Nadia- your future pixel-wife?". He didn't know who Nadia was as a companion because he had just space-barred through the story pretty much. He doesn't do companion-convos that much either, just for his designated crafter. He and I have complete opposite playstyles since for me story is the most important thing and I'm quite happy to see the addition of SGR.

Different people like different things =) luckily BioWare does stuff for all of us. I would rate story as more important than PvP and I'm pretty sure my buddy would do the complete opposite. You never know what the people around you may like.
If all he cares about is pvp why play mmos? Surely there are fps games that do pvp much better?

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CorellianWannabe
01.06.2013 , 09:04 PM | #209
Quote: Originally Posted by Royox View Post
This is a MMO. A MMO needs MMO stuff so more people plays it and pays for it. SGR is NOT the kind of stuff that makes people choose your MMO instead of another. Minigames content is the kind of stuff that makes people choose your MMO instead of another.

God it's so hard to understand? Priority should be adding stuff so MORE PEOPLE COMES. People who enjoyed SGR playing Mass Effect or Dragon Age will not play SWTOR because SGR. What the hell...do you think somebody will say "omg, in this swtor game I can do SGR again?? I HAVE TO PLAY IT!!!" god dammit NO. MMO's are about CONTENT and "what can I do instead of being jumping on the fleet". Today a High end PVP and PVE player the only thing he can do is...STAY STILL ON THE FLEET waiting for the next WZ or the next FP to pop up. We need Stuff to do. Things to do. Things that makes people MOVE. Go to Nar Shadda, to Tatooine. Make the game feel alive. Adding pazaak on every cantina and Swoop Races on Tatooine and Nar Shadda would make it. People would move a lot.

What would do SGR to improve the health of this game??? NOTHING. People would stay still on the fleet waiting for the next WZ or FP. Doing nothing. And some day they will be bored and they will leave the game.

We are NOT against SGR...ffs my commander FemShepard banged Liara!. We only say there are other priorities to keep this game as healthy as possible.




You misunderstood me surely because i'm not english and I did not express what I would correctly...I was refering to the "SGR oficial Thread"...there is like a "WE WANT, WE WANT" giant thread. I was not talking about you or anybody on this thread.
So sitting around Tatooine waiting to madly press buttons when swoop racing is better than sitting around the fleet waiting to madly press buttons when in a warzone?

Did you have a male Shepard get togetther with Kaidan or Cortez? Seems to me there is a large divide between male and female SGR among players.

I love how so many are saying "we're not against it, it should just wait until there are resources for it (in other words, never since there will always be something more important to those people)".

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TheBBP
01.07.2013 , 02:01 AM | #210
Quote: Originally Posted by aeterno View Post
I don't get the argument that it's wasted resources cos it's just for the minority.

We basically already know it's gonna be an NPC ergo it's likely we'll all interact with him as part of the planet story arc or a sidequest. He's gonna be sending us out for 10 rats and throw us some credits and/or direction to the next quest hub.

And he'll have a [Flirt] option for some to click. I don't see that as wasted resources and devtime.

Heck, if you're splitting hair, every interaction in the game is 2/3 wasted resources as you won't see the other 2 responses or the cinematics they may lead to, and frankly not many of us will do replays. So when we pick a response the others are essentially dev time down the drain as far as we're concerned. But that's the essence of BW games innit.

Only difference this time is the NPC will have a [Flirt] option I'll never click, like dozens others have a [Kill] option I never click cos I'm not part of the sociopath minority that however apparently does deserve "pandering to".

Real criminal misappropriation of development resources that. Not. So lets all get a grip with the "they're doing SGR when they should be adding content for everyone" thing cos it's ridiculous. Not one bit of story content in TOR is by necessity "for everyone", that's the bloody point. I won't flirt with the gay guy when I talk to him, whooptie do. I also didn't cut off heads as a bounty hunter. I'll survive I think. And I think the game is better for having the CHOICE, even if I never do it.
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