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Cargo Hold Bay Bugs


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nocturnal_K
12.08.2012 , 06:59 AM | #1
There is a bug in the purchase of additional cargo bays.
To buy a second bay with credits per char costs 40,000, however if you purchase via cartel coins the cost of a third bay increases to 400,000.

this should not be so, it should remain at 40,000 as the second bay was purchased with cartel coins not credits. you are invectively placing a penalty on those who use cartel coins to buy a bay when they should of purchased the first with creds and the second with coins and so on

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-Holmes
12.08.2012 , 07:07 AM | #2
Quote: Originally Posted by nocturnal_K View Post
There is a bug in the purchase of additional cargo bays.
To buy a second bay with credits per char costs 40,000, however if you purchase via cartel coins the cost of a third bay increases to 400,000.

this should not be so, it should remain at 40,000 as the second bay was purchased with cartel coins not credits. you are invectively placing a penalty on those who use cartel coins to buy a bay when they should of purchased the first with creds and the second with coins and so on
No. The third bay costs 400k. That is it. Buy the 40k bay first, then use cartel coins.
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Sunjammer
12.08.2012 , 04:38 PM | #3
The OP is correct and I believe, or more accurately sincerely hope, that this is a bug.

Buying an additional cargo using Cartel Coins should unlock the most expensive bay, i.e. Bay 5 (which costs 2,000,000 credits) first. We are all paying the same amount of coins (i.e. money) so we should all get the same benefits. It is grossly unfair (bordering on fraud) if a cargo bay unlock is worth 2 million credits to Player A but only 40,000 credits to Player B because they opted to support BioWare sooner rather than later. It puts Player B in the position of having to pay 1,560,000 credits or 475 Cartel Coins to get the exact same benefits as Player A.

It is even more of an issue, if like me, you bought the account wide cargo bay unlock as this effectively penalises all of your characters that didn't have the maximum number of bays before purchasing. It also penalises every new character you create from that point on.

Ultimately this isn't going to be in BioWare's interest either because it is a disincentive to spend coins (i.e. money). As it becomes more widely known future players will hold off until they have unlocked all the cheaper bays by which point they may decide they don't need the extra bay and/or have left the game. Either way BioWare will miss out on the some Cartel Coins (i.e. money).
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-Holmes
12.08.2012 , 05:11 PM | #4
Quote: Originally Posted by Sunjammer View Post
The OP is correct and I believe, or more accurately sincerely hope, that this is a bug.

Buying an additional cargo using Cartel Coins should unlock the most expensive bay, i.e. Bay 5 (which costs 2,000,000 credits) first. We are all paying the same amount of coins (i.e. money) so we should all get the same benefits. It is grossly unfair (bordering on fraud) if a cargo bay unlock is worth 2 million credits to Player A but only 40,000 credits to Player B because they opted to support BioWare sooner rather than later. It puts Player B in the position of having to pay 1,560,000 credits or 475 Cartel Coins to get the exact same benefits as Player A.

It is even more of an issue, if like me, you bought the account wide cargo bay unlock as this effectively penalises all of your characters that didn't have the maximum number of bays before purchasing. It also penalises every new character you create from that point on.

Ultimately this isn't going to be in BioWare's interest either because it is a disincentive to spend coins (i.e. money). As it becomes more widely known future players will hold off until they have unlocked all the cheaper bays by which point they may decide they don't need the extra bay and/or have left the game. Either way BioWare will miss out on the some Cartel Coins (i.e. money).
Player buys new cargo bay for 400 CC.
Player wants to buy the next bay and notices it's 400k instead of 40k. SHEESH, I should have thought about it before I bought that first bay!
Player comes to the forums and complains.
Bioware says it's working as intended.
Player has 2 options -
a) Player forks out 400k and buys the next cargo bay. Good for him, next time he'll know better.
b) Player rage quits the game and cancels sub/ditches ftp. Good for him again, Bioware already has the money you spent on your sub+cargo bay.
c) Player spends another ~400CC for the next cargo bay. Good for him, Bioware got another purchase.

So tell me, how is BW losing? You think that just because 1 out of 10 players have the Cargo Bay problem they will think it's a bug/huge problem?
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nocturnal_K
12.08.2012 , 07:26 PM | #5
iti bought account wide upgrade, i was completely unaware this would happen other wise i would not of bought it with cartel coins and forked out 40k per char.

you are in no way made aware this will happen and im stuck with it forever more.

Ohh, and i am one of those players who do spend money on games, but i am also 1 of those plays who stop spending if i think im getting cheated.playing this game 3 weeks now and this is the second time ive felt that im being taken for a ride. 1st onweis i e still got a ticket open for being billed for cartel coins in paypal but the website errored and never got the coins but they got the cash. its not the way to stay in business if word of mouth turns spenders away

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Sunjammer
12.08.2012 , 08:15 PM | #6
Quote: Originally Posted by -Holmes View Post
Player buys new cargo bay for 400 CC.
Player wants to buy the next bay and notices it's 400k instead of 40k. SHEESH, I should have thought about it before I bought that first bay!
Player comes to the forums and complains.
Bioware says it's working as intended.
Player has 2 options -
a) Player forks out 400k and buys the next cargo bay. Good for him, next time he'll know better.
b) Player rage quits the game and cancels sub/ditches ftp. Good for him again, Bioware already has the money you spent on your sub+cargo bay.
c) Player spends another ~400CC for the next cargo bay. Good for him, Bioware got another purchase.

So tell me, how is BW losing? You think that just because 1 out of 10 players have the Cargo Bay problem they will think it's a bug/huge problem?
I'm not sure how to respond to someone that who states the player has but 2 options and promptly lists 3, one of which answers his own question.

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Sunjammer
12.08.2012 , 08:27 PM | #7
Threads expressing similar sentiments (I'll add more as I find them for easy reference):


EDIT - 22/12/12: added a third link
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Valethar
12.08.2012 , 08:52 PM | #8
Working as intended. The manner in which you pay for the bay makes no difference. The pricing of each individual bay is set, regardless of how you pay for it. The more bays you buy, the more expensive they become.

If you were to go buy gas, and accidentally paid the higher price for a credit transaction instead of using a debit card, would you expect them to refund the difference simply because you can't be bothered to pay attention to what you're doing?

If you buy something on a buy one, get one free sale, do you expect to get the most expensive of the two for free, or the least expensive?

The Cartel Market clearly states the prices for the unlocks, in both credits and Coins. It does not specify that you get the most expensive bay for the least expensive price, because it simply does not make sense, and should be obvious.
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Sunjammer
12.08.2012 , 10:02 PM | #9
Quote: Originally Posted by Valethar View Post
Working as intended. The manner in which you pay for the bay makes no difference. The pricing of each individual bay is set, regardless of how you pay for it. The more bays you buy, the more expensive they become.

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The Cartel Market clearly states the prices for the unlocks, in both credits and Coins. It does not specify that you get the most expensive bay for the least expensive price, because it simply does not make sense, and should be obvious.
If I follow your logic then, if I paid for the most expensive item, I should get the most expensive item. Correct?

When I bought the unlock the price "clearly stated" was 2 million credits or 475 coins for the character version and 1050 coins for the account version. I bought the account version so by your own arguments I had every reason to expect I was unlocking "bay 5" for all of my accounts. Unfortunately this isn't what happens: you pay the most expensive price and get the least expensive item for each character. For some this might be "bay 5", others it is "bay 4" and for the rest it is "bay 3".

Moreover it is my impression that only the price in credits changes: the price in coin is the same at all levels. Currently in game I can only see the coins price for "bay 4" and "bay 5" which is 475 coins for the character version and 1050 coins for the account version. However from what I can find on the net that is the prices at all levels. Consequently if you pay with coins your are always paying the "maximum" amount therefore you should be rewarded with the "most expensive" item.

Put another way my main and first alt paid 440,000 credits and now have 5 bays. My second alt has to pay a total 2,040,000 to get to the same position (he'd already unlocked an additional bay) while all my other alts and every new characters will have to pay 3,000,000 to get the the same position. I don't believe it was BioWare's intention to make our later characters pay more to get the exact same things. Therefore I don't think it is working as intended.
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nocturnal_K
12.09.2012 , 03:54 AM | #10
the simple fact is for buying a cartel coin bay2 before buying it in creds you will end up paying 4.8 million creds for your next bay on max 12 chars instead of 480k creds.
if you where to by the bay with cartel as your 3rd or 4th this just gets worse.

so the simple fact is unless you are buying bay 5 with cartel coins its not worth buying it at all cus if you buy it before your going to have to work tens times harder for your next.

Cartel items are suppose to benefit you not penalise you which is why i put it down as a bug because it should not be functioning like this and i cant see it being intended.