New dread guard proc relic vs warhero relic

Nice results there Gyro. Crit rate way higher for you now. ~20% crit Elemental vs ~45% crit Internal. It doesn't translate into a big overall dps difference. But hey, an increase is an increase.

Hello Commando's!. Great thread. Thanks for ironing this issue out with nice data. We've had a similar dicussion on the sorc forums.

I have been denied a refund for my relic because too much time has passed.

I have recreated a ticket and make a thread in the customer support:

http://www.swtor.com/community/showt...78#post5522878

Please post there if you've been denied so we can get some attention to this issue.

So, After all this (great) discussion, do can we have a clear and simple post as to which 2 relics are BIS for Gunnery Commandos in PVE ops?

I think it's the Boundless Ages and the Kinetic Tempest, but i want to be clear before i buy my second one

Thanks,
Wes

I'm kinda just looking for the answer too. On my Merc I'm running with the Dread Guard Relic of Boundless Ages and The Dread Guard Relic of the Kinetic Tempest.

I did lots of reading about them before I made my choice. Today however another Merc who's opionion I respect says that he was putting up 100k less dmg vs identically geared Mercs on the Tanks in Nim EC 16 man using the Tempest. Said I was a fail train :P

I'd like to know so I can put this one to bed. My toon is BIS other than that in every slot.
Thanks for the discussion and the information.

NiM EC 16m tanks each DPS has to do about 600k damage, their share of the 2.5m on each tank plus adds.

A proc relic adds up to about 20k damage over the whole fight.

Now a proc relic is 47 power as well as the proc damage effect.

WH is 113 or the very new EWH is 120 power

If he thinks that 66 or 73 power MINUS the proc damage effect is 100k damage more when total damage is 600k he's insane.

I've done NiM 8m tanks with the wrong proc relic (elemental instead of internal) on and total proc damage came to 15k out of 630k (plus whatever 47 power adds up to).

You can see the bis relics in the first post, kinetic proc and power activation.

Thanks for figuring this out and summarizing it well
If I don't want a clickable power relic, what's best to accompany the DG kinetic proc?
The Matrix Cube, or the war hero passive power relic?

Thanks

Dudes, I wanna thank you a lot for your hard work and this civil, troll-free thread. This is rare and precious

If I may contribute, I'd like you to consider that a gunnery commando, due to it's relatively low rate of fire, is not really suited for a 30% proc relic, imho. Statistics aside, I've been bullying the training dummy quite a few times these days, only to realize the DG relic only procs roughly 40-50 times on a 6min fight. Maybe I'm unlucky with the RNG, but that gives me only 11-13k damage output. This is the kind of parse I got with an EWH +120 power and a DG proc relic :

http://swtor.askmrrobot.com/combatlo.../1#d=0,t=1,b=1

As you can see, 360/42 makes a proc every 8.57secs, whereas my DoT specced guildies (balance shadow and hybrid GS) have it really close to 6 secs. I rarely got significantly better results, so I decided to switch to EWH/clickable DG power relic for a way better damage output. This is what I get (min-maxed full 61 with 3 63 armorings and 5 63 mods) :

http://swtor.askmrrobot.com/combatlo...=0,f=1,t=1,b=1

(of course i have way better crit ratio on the second parse, but nonetheless i'm consistently over 1800 dps on a 6-6.5min run now)

First you compared a DG power on use relic vs the DG kinetic proc damage relic. We are not comparing those against each other. Equip the DG on use power relic for both test. Then try comparing a WH or better yet an EWH power relic vs the DG Kinetic proc relic. You also don't have enough samples to really compare. As you said you did crit quite a bit more on one of the test vs the other. In fact signifficantly higher. I know i can parse an ops dummy at just under 1500dps to just under 2000dps without changing any gear. With 1988dps being my best so far. Average is approx 1800dps fyi and i seldom if ever use adrenals when testing.

I well understand that for gunnery commandos the DG proc relic will proc less for us than perhaps every class and spec. For me personally i do slightly worse than you with it proccing at approx every 9 seconds. However if you do the math even at every 9 seconds it still beats out the EWH power relic. But it's so close that it really doesn't matter which you use.

Personally if i PvPed more i'd probably just go with 2 EWH power relics. I'd rather have steady power and a more consistent dps. Although swapping in the DG power on use relic i like as well. I currently use a DG on use power relic and *gasp* a matrix cube. I needed the crit more than the power else i'd be using my old champion power relic.

So long as i can still be at the top of the damage and dps charts for an Ops i'm ok using whatever feels comfortable to me. I doubt i'll ever use the damage proc relics even if they are very slightly better. But who knows i may gave in and do the dailies to get it. I just don't feel it's needed to grind out dailies for 2 relics when 1 is fine really. And obviously i hate grinding dailies so i'm a bit prejudiced here.

However the BIS list does stay as is as it's correct currently no matter which we actually use or prefer.

Sorry, my goal wasn't to show off, and I shouldn't have linked the second parse . I simply wanted to point at the very low proc rate and therefore damage output on gunnery, while a balance shadow (for example) would get significantly (something like 18k, I can ask a friend of mine for some parse logs if you don't believe me ) better results.