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Cartel Market will have opposite effect than intended

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Eegore
11.19.2012 , 12:57 AM | #51
None of what the OP sas makes sense.

The items on the GTN were purchased by Cartel Coins. So if Player X wants to go to a 3rd party redit site and buy credits for use on the GTN, who is he purchasing from?

He's purchasing from a guy that got items from the Cartel.

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Soluss
11.19.2012 , 01:04 AM | #52
Quote: Originally Posted by NightBlizzard View Post
One mans trash is another mans treasure.

Its not for YOU to decide how OTHERS spend their money. It may seem pointless to you - but than again - you're sitting here dishing out 15 dollars for this game just like the rest of us - if others want to spend more on something they think is worth their while, than leave them be and stop trolling this forum trying to prove your non-existent point.
Just like its not for you to decide who, what, where, when, why I post.
James Ohlen: " For 2012 we really want players to feel like they're getting their money's worth. You're going to see so many changes and additions to the Star Wars Universe. It's going to be impressive. We have our Update 1.2 coming in the next week and then after that it's going to continue to roll out month after month. It's exciting."

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Soluss
11.19.2012 , 01:07 AM | #53
Quote: Originally Posted by TrakonBazzaak View Post
Was that an attempt to rub in my face that I lost at gambling?

Grow up kid.


I thought the thread was about the cartel market and our experiences with it.


If you have nothing to contribute I think you know what to do.
Maybe.

Im a grown man. Kind of ironic that you call someone a kid and tell them to grow up after wasting money on some digital items that you dont even own.

Im sure it is.

I contributed just fine thanks.
James Ohlen: " For 2012 we really want players to feel like they're getting their money's worth. You're going to see so many changes and additions to the Star Wars Universe. It's going to be impressive. We have our Update 1.2 coming in the next week and then after that it's going to continue to roll out month after month. It's exciting."

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FatEdd
11.19.2012 , 02:52 AM | #54
Anyone who purchases credits for real money is basically to lazy to make the easy credits you can in the game, lets face it. I like the Cartel Coin market, SWG had something similar with the same type of results, e.g. do not expect to get the rarest items straight out, that is the way it is, and I do not see anything wrong with that. Next people will be saying they expect to win the National Lottery every week, because they purchased 30 worth of tickets as an example,lol. It does not work like that, and that is life.

Allowing the items to be sold on the GTN obviously allows those who do not or will not purchase those packs to get hold of those items via the credits system, and nothing wrong with that, everyone can get hold of the items they wish and will keep the GTN stocked up as there is likely to always be a market for these items.

But buying credits to me is a bit lame, when it is so easy to make credits in the game. You have not got to be a rocket scientist to know this.

Cheers

FatEdd

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grombrinda
11.19.2012 , 04:02 AM | #55
Quote: Originally Posted by Eegore View Post
None of what the OP sas makes sense.

The items on the GTN were purchased by Cartel Coins. So if Player X wants to go to a 3rd party redit site and buy credits for use on the GTN, who is he purchasing from?

He's purchasing from a guy that got items from the Cartel.
But that's just it. They are making more on selling those credits than Bioware selling the boxes. Think about it...$5 dollar purchase and ANY free sub becomes preferred, then they go on big farming parties, and are able to trade credits back and forth. So the way it goes is, credits are free to get from game , and then they sell the credits to people dumb enough to buy them, buy some cartel packs to get items to put on gtn or website, while their parties go back out to farm credits. So the money that the player(s) spend on rmt'ers should be going to Bioware but doesn't .Not like you think it does. If they put all the items that are mentioned in the packs piecemeal on market, that would end this real quick.I wouldn't mind dishing out $20 for mask of nihulis if that would help stop rmt'ers from working their (censored) on this game.
We didn't start the Star Wars,They were already fightin' em,since George was writing them!!

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Cran
11.19.2012 , 04:47 AM | #56
I don't think preferredorF2p-players are doing the farmingand selling... creditlimits and all that.

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Ephesia
11.19.2012 , 05:17 AM | #57
Quote: Originally Posted by Soluss View Post
Maybe.

Im a grown man. Kind of ironic that you call someone a kid and tell them to grow up after wasting money on some digital items that you dont even own.

Im sure it is.

I contributed just fine thanks.
What is your problem, if I may ask? It's not your money, it is completely in the freedom of man to spend money earned according to their wishes. Of course, you may not agree with it, but what motives you to insult the people who are doing so?
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miglor
11.19.2012 , 05:26 AM | #58
You guys mean that after 25+ bags, all I really got was 10+ elegant hats/pants ISN'T COOL and not TOTALLY WORTH IT???

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Soluss
11.19.2012 , 05:33 AM | #59
Quote: Originally Posted by Ephesia View Post
What is your problem, if I may ask? It's not your money, it is completely in the freedom of man to spend money earned according to their wishes. Of course, you may not agree with it, but what motives you to insult the people who are doing so?
I dont have a problem, spend away... spend away your mortgage for all I care (im sure someone already has). Doesnt mean that I cant laugh at it. You will see what my actual problem with it is, in due time. When people start wondering why only the cash shop is getting consistant updating and we are thrown bones for actual content. You can wonder why and why some more. Some day it will dawn on you that the Cash Shop is their money source. It is their money source from all the people that throw 200 bucks a week at it. They will update their money source well before they do anything for real content. You will see... it wont take but a few months to see through it.

Proof positive in this is they couldnt be bothered to update the CE store that was bare bones to begin with or neutral gear or the other store.. yet it didnt take them long for all those goodies in the cash shop did it?

Soon as the grab bag items dies down... they will add more items to it. Got to keep that money flow... screw that new story content or the new side content like swoop racing.
James Ohlen: " For 2012 we really want players to feel like they're getting their money's worth. You're going to see so many changes and additions to the Star Wars Universe. It's going to be impressive. We have our Update 1.2 coming in the next week and then after that it's going to continue to roll out month after month. It's exciting."

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Elysith
11.19.2012 , 05:42 AM | #60
Quote: Originally Posted by grombrinda View Post
...buy some cartel packs to get items to put on gtn or website....
You're still missing the point. It's not just "some cartel packs", it will be a lot of them, as much as it's needed to spawn the rare items.

Let me give you an example with made up stats :

Let's say the rare Mask has a chance of 1 / 50 on every pack.
That means on average that for each player that gets a Mask, Bioware sells 50 packs.

However the player gets the Mask, directly from a pack he purchased from the Cartel Shop, or from the GTN using in-game credits, does not matter,
as for each Mask to exist in the game at first, about 50 packs will have been bought by other players (or by gold sellers as you suggested).

Bioware will always still sells as much as pack as normal as long as there is a demand for the Mask. Gold Sellers have no incidence on that aspect.

Gold Sellers do have a negative impact on the Cartel Market for another reason: Some players buy Cartel Market items for the sole purpose of reselling the items to other players as a way to quickly earn in-game credits.
And to earn lot of credits, they need to either be lucky or to buy lot of pack to find rare items.
But instead some of these players might be tempted to just purchase credits directly from Gold Sellers. That"s what hurts Bioware sales, because then the player money goes to Gold Seller not them.

One theorical way to prevent such problem, would be as you suggested to sell directly the Mask in the Cartel Market. But then Bioware would have to sell it to 50x the price of the pack to compensate (in that made up example) for the lack of profit made by gambling.
Then I can already hear someone saying, that they could lower the price, and that more people would buy it. Not really because if it becomes easy to get, it loses its rarity and becomes worthless
Also I guess having a heavy priced virtual item would have a negative psychological impact.
And somehow gambling is more fair, as even someone that cannot afford to buy lot of pack, can still get one if lucky. While if it was just sold at high price, only most wealthy people would get them from the Cartel Market.