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Level 35 PT Pyro; I hate this class; seriously considering rerolling.

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Level 35 PT Pyro; I hate this class; seriously considering rerolling.

MelodicSixNine's Avatar

11.12.2012 , 07:32 AM | #31
I have no idea how you can suck on PT. Especially Pyro. They melt the floor with people.

I saw once commando in full str gear tho.... what gear are you using? What are your stats?

olemanbourbon's Avatar

11.12.2012 , 08:37 AM | #32
Quote: Originally Posted by MelodicSixNine View Post
I have no idea how you can suck on PT. Especially Pyro. They melt the floor with people.

I saw once commando in full str gear tho.... what gear are you using? What are your stats?
Yeah, make sure you have Aim gear.

itsmymillertime's Avatar

11.12.2012 , 08:49 AM | #33
I have leveled alot of toons and the PT/Vanguard spec "felt" the hardest to level. Because you use a healer companion, one of the few I do, it takes longer to kill, and the longer the fight, I more it "feels" slow and with bad heat management, cause the class gets alot better as you level up, it does kinda suck while leveling. I would muscle through it. You will like it when you ding 50. But if you reroll, dont delete the toon. Play what you enjoy, as a Sniper main, you just spam Snipe while Kaliyo ***** everything and build up your rotation as you climb the marksmanship tree.

To make sure everything is kosher, what level are you? Where are you in the game world quest wise? What is you Aim on your toon, what is your cunning on Mako? This will help determine if your out of balance with the game.

RazielHex's Avatar

11.12.2012 , 09:08 AM | #34
Quote: Originally Posted by oakamp View Post
yup, cause stupid BW nerf PT hardly and don't give it a 60sec CC.

but i am still the most top dps in my team with bw hurt my hands.
Sith Warriors, Jedi Knights, and Vanguards also don't have a mez. Marauders, Sentinels, Gunslingers, and Snipers are Droid-Only mez.

Suck it up, buttercup.

smellmop's Avatar

11.12.2012 , 09:17 AM | #35
Quote: Originally Posted by sumuser View Post
In two words: You Don't

The vast majority of a PT shieldtech defenses is passive migration which does not stop 90% of PvP damage. In effect, your shields are useless in PvP because tech / force attacks from other players go right through them. As a PT shieldtech myself, our class is the absolute worse PvP tank class. In PvE we are great though as NPC attacks are largely shield'able.

Some die hard tanks put on DPS spec armor for PvP... but honestly, for PTs, that’s a stupid move. Even changing cylinders your DPS sucks and without the heat management abilities of the pyro or AP trees you WILL over heat in record time.... the hundreds of posts in the PVP forums crying nerf PT/Vanguard are meaningless?
some of the top DPS are PT/Vanguard in pvp, not to mention the amazing utility you get with a gap closer and a pull. My 32 Vanguard in tank gear with ION cell gets top of the charts pretty much every match for points are super easy to get, and 9/10 times I'm still top dps on the team.
There is a cat on my server with a PT named JackDaniels who just melts everyone at 50 Ranked PVP......I'm pretty good with my WH aug'd GS...but if that guy gets close to me.....the respawn button is right there in a matter of moments.
If you are having heat problems....I feel bad for you son, got 99 problems but heat ain't one.
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NSStember's Avatar

11.12.2012 , 10:01 AM | #36
Honestly, the only reason to change class is you just don't like the story/playstyle of the class you are playing. I've leveled four toons to 50 so far, and my Merc was by far the fastest of them. The other poster was right, keep Mako out and she keeps you healthy and leveling fast

Rassuro's Avatar

11.13.2012 , 12:54 AM | #37
Quote: Originally Posted by Gokkus View Post
While we are on the subject: I cant seem to be of much use as a PT (Tank) in PvP. Compared to my Sorc I get about 50% of the amount of medals.

So how to play a PT in PvP?
Are you using your taunts and guards? In my opinion it's normally not that difficult to get a lot of medals with any tank because the protection medals come quite easily at the moment in my opinion.
Also, like with the other tanks, you'll want to consider using DPS gear with shield off hand, if you aren't already.

Quote: Originally Posted by smellmop View Post the hundreds of posts in the PVP forums crying nerf PT/Vanguard are meaningless?
To be fair, the calls for nerfs are most of the time only for the Pyro spec, and there was a lot more of it before 1.4 and back when people hadn't yet noticed how powerful Marauders, Snipers, and anyone doing LOLsmashes are.
Also just as a side note, not saying you are wrong in this case but sometimes it can be a very bad idea to say that some class is great because you're doing well in 10-49 PVP. Some classes are in a very different place in 50's PVP than they are in 10-49, probably partly because players there generally know a lot better how to use their own class and know a little bit better how to counter other classes.
Toor, 50 Operative healer | Odaen, 50 Assassin tank | Tiyr, 50 Vanguard tank | Zerofour, 50 Mercenary DPS | The Red Eclipse

wetslampigduex's Avatar

11.13.2012 , 08:31 AM | #38
I have a full bis slot PT tank/dps spec's. IMO it sounds like you are just taking all the aggro on mobs, which means you are probably doing something right, but hurts seeing as your not lvling with a healer(also check to make sure mako's CC is turned off, she will sit there and CC a mob and not heal you) Trust me PT is something your going to want to get to 50. Even under geared if you have the rotation down you can keep up with the top dps. As far as tanking goes, under 50 pvp, shield tech is not a bad choice IF there's a healer around, id honestly go 6,7,8 matches without a death and hold the ball in huttball as long as i could(found out if u hold it too long u blow up tho). Dps, well you have IMO the best single target dps in the game. Your only 35 now but once you hit 40+ watch out. In a pvp match you should be able to solo 2-3 people if you have half way decent gear(buy all lvl 40 pvp gear).

As far as a rotation, assuming you take TD (some people don't because w/o it you can parse slightly higher) it would go as follows.

Thermal Detonator, thermal sensor over-ride, Incendiary Missile,Explosive Fuel, Rail Shot, Rocket Punch, rail shot, flame burst, flame burst, rail shot, rapid shots, repeat w/o the use of Incendiary missile (if your doing a good job managing your heat you can use flame thrower or unload in between RS procs b/c after the 3 second cast along with the GCD's your next Rocket Punch or Flame burst can proc rail shot again)

Keep your heat under 50 at all times, if you see it creeping up there use a few rapid shots, listen for the laugh, everytime you here this it means you just procced a Rail Shot(i.e. free attack and vents 8 heat). If you ever see your self hit 60 heat, vent that sh*t and also keep in mind after doing so not to overheat your self again for a while. Most Important do not spam Incendiary missile, honestly i really only use it if i have Thermal sensor override off of cd or my heat is under 10(even under 10 you prob want to rapid shot once or twice to keep heat low). Don't spam Flame Burst either never really want to use it more than twice in a row, unless you really want that rail shot proc.

This is the spec i use for DPS if it helps any.

Good luck and don't give up on it trust me, also while lvling with your brother you should both use healing companions should make everything either, die a lil slower but you stay up

Edit: what server are you on

Alhxor's Avatar

11.13.2012 , 05:23 PM | #39
Learn to kite as pyro. You have a spammable slow and a stun (even two on 46+). If you really need to facetank something use your shield and then kite again. Learning that was imperative for me for soloing 50 daily heroics in the starting 50 gear (mostly recruit, some columi from other chars).
Strafe instead of backpedalling, spam flabeburst and rapid shots with a railshot here and there, then stun, go through the mob and repeat. It's actually pretty fun when you can kill a pack of strongs/elites without beign hit 80% of the time.
Al'xor [assassin] | Kyr'amud [powertech] | Kźrsh [marauder] | Kersin [operative]
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Daxy's Avatar

11.14.2012 , 10:18 AM | #40
i would say a few things---

taunt/aggro mobs whacking mako; it's easy to get caught up in the red haze of battle but when your healing comp dies you will soon follow
make sure gear is current with level (this is easy to overlook and its impact is huge) for both yourself and comp
sometimes mako and other healing companions have pathfinding issues ; they can also be out of range to heal you
--at times call them to you on passive then re-engage

if you are constantly fighting mobs just a couple levels higher, even in purple gear, you will miss much more and burn your cd's

at the end of the day this might not be the right class for your playstyle

ps- at least play the toon through the end of chapter two to unlock the bh endurance buff for the rest of your toons