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How would the Republic military respond to a Reaper invasion?

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How would the Republic military respond to a Reaper invasion?

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BlueSouthPike
05.06.2012 , 08:26 PM | #71
Quote: Originally Posted by Velaran View Post
Agreed, I don't think either of us have much more to add on this.

Anyone have anything else to say?
Well, I suppose that if we have come to an impasse at the technology debate, we could begin to discuss methods and tactics, though that argument could open up a whole new can of worms...

For the record, I would be interested in such a discussion, provided that we could keep things civil, and respectful.
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Captain_Zone
05.06.2012 , 09:22 PM | #72
Quote: Originally Posted by Velaran View Post
1. I never said the ships were unbelievably far ahead of the Reapers, I said Star Wars tech is way beyond what the Reapers have. Also, i'm not really sure the Reapers would be able to indoctrinate most people in the SW galaxy, at least the Force Users. One upside to midichlorians.

2. All of which is pointless, because none of that knowledge is applicable to a war they would fight in the Star Wars galaxy.

3. I still feel as if the Reapers have no chance whatsoever. They have no tactical knowledge of the SW galaxy, no overpowering tech with which to dismiss that lack of knowledge, and no way to effectively fight a war without Mass Relays.
I fail to see how Reaper tech is outdone by Star Wars tech. MAYBE propulsion systems, but weapons, shields, and armor, they're pretty equal. In fact, since most Star Wars ship weapons are laserbased, I could see solid projectiles and charged plasma projectors being used by the Reapers to good effect against the Republic warships.
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RDeanOU
05.06.2012 , 10:47 PM | #73
Quote: Originally Posted by Rayla_Felana View Post
1.I do not in anyway appreciate your vile tone, cease and desist please.

2.I am not using guess work, but basic science, if you actually bothered to read my statements and preferably Angelous' you would actually comprehend my meaning, but clearly this is beyond your train of thought.

3.I am using EXACTLY the facts we know about them, please actually read before typing.
1. My tone is not "vile." I am simply attempting to point out that you are calling your own guesswork at attempting to interpret what you have seen in cinematics as "facts" while dismissing the hard numbers that others have pulled from texts "opinion."

2. In actual fact, it is the other way around. You are feeling around in the dark using your very basic knowledge of science to try to guess at the strength of hulls, shields, and weapons based on what you can see in the cinematics of the game. I don't think I missed where either you or Angelous actually cited anything material. You are both simply using your own guesses.

There is actual material out there that quantifies some of this and it contradicts your guesswork. The Bounty Hunter Wars Book 2 clarifies that the energy release from a turbolaser is at least a gigaton. That is 1,000 megatons or 1 million kilotons. The capital ships that destroyed Sovereign in Mass Effect 1 were firing weapons that maxed out at 3 times the power of the Hiroshima bomb (13-18 kt). That is according to this website. At the maximum, that means that Sovereign was destroyed by weapons that only yielded 54 kilotons.

Are you not starting to see how far apart these galaxies are in terms of tech? Mass Effect has capital ships that can kill Sovereign by firing 54 kiloton weapons at him and Star Wars capital ships fire 1 million kilotons with every single shot.

Both you and Angelous are factually incorrect with many of your statements. Angelous claims that Star Wars deflector shields would not be effective against Reaper weapons and that is completely absurd. Deflector shields on capital ships generally include both ray shields as well as particle shields. Source. They are effective at defending against both energy and physical attacks and since we know that the weapons in Mass Effect are thousands of times weaker than those in the Star Wars galaxy (15,000 to 20,000 times weaker to be exact) it is completely irrational to believe that the cannons from a Reaper could even dent the shields of a Star Wars battleship.

I could go on and find sources disproving that the ships in Mass Effect are as fast as you both claim as well, but I think everyone reading this thread is starting to get how wide the gap in technology is here.

3. I read your posts. I read Angelous's posts as well. Neither of you has provided anything factual to back up your claims. You have not provided a single source that even suggests that Mass Effect technology is anywhere close to as advanced as what we see in Star Wars.

You complained about my tone, but you used phrases such as "clearly this is beyond your train of thought" and "please actually read before typing." If anything, you are the one using an arrogant and dismissive tone with those who disagree with you even though they are factually correct and you are not.

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Tearigan
05.10.2012 , 03:01 AM | #74
Quote: Originally Posted by AngelousWang View Post
Reaper "beam" weapons actually shoot liquid metal, roughly the same heat as the sun and at almost lightspeed. Rather than plasma or some other direct energy type (which is what Star Wars shield are design to protect against).

As far as I am aware Star Wars ships are completely ineffective against blocking sun like temperatures and have no defense against lava (which is basically what the reapers have, they have metal lava guns - almost every sifi ship in history is susceptible to lava).

But on the other end the Reapers have no defense against Star Wars "plasma" based turbo lasers, they only have kinetic defenses. (which means both the Reapers and Star Wars ships can 1 shot each other), Though Reaper hulls are much stronger than durasteel, asteroids can damage durasteel, asteroids cannot damage Reapers.

Reapers have mass effect fields which defy physics, allowing giant capital ships to maneuver and turn like fighters. Whilst Star Wars ships have to respect physics.

Star Wars ships are also limited to hyperspace lanes, Reapers have go anywhere they like FTL drives.

On these facts the Reapers could beat the Republic by commit completely to hit and run tactics, FLT jumping in right on top of Republic fleets beaming them or crashing into them (as Reapers can due to superior hull strength) and then FTL jumping out before the Republic could defend themselves.

The Republic on the other hand could win more easily, all they would have to do is get the Reapers in open conflict, the seer amount of turbo lasers even one capital ship has is enough to kill a hundred or so Reapers alone. So in fleet on fleet action the Republic would win.

That's just ship to ship combat, not including all the indoctrination and other stuff.
Star wars shields do protect against lava, assuming it's not submerged. Secondly Hyperspace lanes to my knowledge is just a term for preplotted course. If I remember correctly, Han inferred this when he told Like, that they had to wait to jump to hyperspeed, so they would crash into a asteroid field or fly through a sun. I could be wrong.
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MorgothPl
05.10.2012 , 08:56 AM | #75
It would be very simple. Reapers would start assimilate people and turning them into husks, building other reapers. Planets wuould be destroyed, favourite heroes and characters would die, stopping Reapers invasion.

At the end, when only handful of 'pubs would remain, a group of Jedis would find out a secret prophecy, or a legend, that properly used would turn over the tide of war. Reapers would be banished, as Jedi would not destroy them, and everyone would start rebuilding for next invasion.

Just change Yuuzhan Vong to Reapers, and it would be the same.

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Madned
05.13.2012 , 02:37 PM | #76
Quote: Originally Posted by RDeanOU View Post

There is actual material out there that quantifies some of this and it contradicts your guesswork. The Bounty Hunter Wars Book 2 clarifies that the energy release from a turbolaser is at least a gigaton. That is 1,000 megatons or 1 million kilotons. The capital ships that destroyed Sovereign in Mass Effect 1 were firing weapons that maxed out at 3 times the power of the Hiroshima bomb (13-18 kt). That is according to this website. At the maximum, that means that Sovereign was destroyed by weapons that only yielded 54 kilotons.

Are you not starting to see how far apart these galaxies are in terms of tech? Mass Effect has capital ships that can kill Sovereign by firing 54 kiloton weapons at him and Star Wars capital ships fire 1 million kilotons with every single shot.

Both you and Angelous are factually incorrect with many of your statements. Angelous claims that Star Wars deflector shields would not be effective against Reaper weapons and that is completely absurd. Deflector shields on capital ships generally include both ray shields as well as particle shields. Source. They are effective at defending against both energy and physical attacks and since we know that the weapons in Mass Effect are thousands of times weaker than those in the Star Wars galaxy (15,000 to 20,000 times weaker to be exact) it is completely irrational to believe that the cannons from a Reaper could even dent the shields of a Star Wars battleship.

I could go on and find sources disproving that the ships in Mass Effect are as fast as you both claim as well, but I think everyone reading this thread is starting to get how wide the gap in technology is here.

3. I read your posts. I read Angelous's posts as well. Neither of you has provided anything factual to back up your claims. You have not provided a single source that even suggests that Mass Effect technology is anywhere close to as advanced as what we see in Star Wars.

You complained about my tone, but you used phrases such as "clearly this is beyond your train of thought" and "please actually read before typing." If anything, you are the one using an arrogant and dismissive tone with those who disagree with you even though they are factually correct and you are not.
And just one shot from any given ion cannon should take out even the strogest Reaper

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Knightless
05.13.2012 , 03:32 PM | #77
Methods of dealing with an ancient sentient species able to use tactical weapons of extinction, are the exact reason they would fail. In the starwars universe there are species that fit that description.

In example, the existence of the star forge should clue us into the level of force based artifices. Multi-dimensional existence is the basis for concepts that relate to a flow of destiny, that moves through states of altered time to produces free will. If the force has a will of its own, maybe the concept of causality in Mass Effect, will find its own resolution by letting destiny take shape.

The level of ability is not really comparable to a universe where a jedi could throw a black hole at them by a change in the gravitational constant of the universe.

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Supahhappy
05.13.2012 , 10:07 PM | #78
The Star Wars galaxy is leagues ahead of the Mass Effect universe. With technology such as the Sun Crusher, with its' invincible armor to the Death Stars planet disintegrating weapon, the Reapers cannot take the entire galaxy head on.

Their only chance would be indoctrinating the galaxy and turning their enemies on each other, but even then I don't know if that would work.

Indoctrination could either be easily defeated by the jedi, or could be their downfall. The Kiliks seem to be similar to the Reapers in the fact they both can affect the motives of an individual. Both seem to take a relatively long exposure time to change someones mind, and they also seem similar in the fact that they can cause individuals to "share" thoughts. Alema Rar (I think her name is) seemed to be driven insane like an indoctrinated individual like in Mass Effect, so a jedi could be suseptible to such a technique.

On the other hand, indoctrination could also be easily defeated by the Jedi. It seems when indoctrination occurs, individuals seem to become stressed. For the faster, forced indoctrinations, they seem to go insane, so I can easily see a Jedi quickly picking up on that. Even those slowly indoctrinated such as Saren and the Illusive Man, while they seemed rational at first glance, they both seemed to have became quite stressed when having their motives questioned. I can easily see force sensitives being able to pick up on these emotional cues, so they could also easily pick out indoctrinated individuals.

The hardest hurdle for Star Wars would be discovering the Reapers as a threat though. If they were somehow able to indoctrinate high ranking officials without setting off any alarms, I could see them wreaking some havoc on planets, but I just couldn't see them winning out against the galaxy unless they were able to control force sensitives, but even then it would be iffy.
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YellowBoots
05.14.2012 , 11:53 AM | #79
They would probely wait and see how it goes lol

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YellowBoots
05.14.2012 , 12:30 PM | #80
They would probely wait and see how it goes lol