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Firebrand and Stormcaller Question


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Messiaah
04.23.2012 , 06:01 PM | #31
Stormcallers tank can outrange the lightning spire attack which means that the second target in its aggro table will get the lightning spire. Just don't run too far away from Stormcaller, that could be a reason for your problem. The stormcaller tank should also taunt when the shield phase begins to make sure that anybody else gets aggro.

Hope that could help.
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alifaraaz
04.23.2012 , 06:22 PM | #32
Quote: Originally Posted by Iandayen View Post
Whoever he has targeted when he starts the cast gets incinerate armor.

So your DPS has to taunt before the cast, then mid cast the tank can taunt back.

Classes that can taunt in DPS spec.

Powertech
Assassin
Juggernaught
Thanks, I don't suppose there's any indication as to when Firebrand may begin casting, a certain HP% perhaps? On story mode we noted that there was always 1 incinerate per phase, whereas there was often 2 double destructions and they wernt exactly timed together.

Any tips are appreciated, and again - thanks ^^
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Iandayen
04.23.2012 , 06:23 PM | #33
Incenerate is always cast right after double destruction goes off.
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Dragonbgone
04.23.2012 , 07:43 PM | #34
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EinAmvuUezk

Guide here for SM if you'd like to go over the mechanics. It's fully voiced. Hope it helps
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xenofire
04.24.2012 , 04:05 AM | #35
When your tank jumps off the battletank to start kiting spires if your DPS waits to get "pushed" towards their location, they can possibly pull aggro in that small window which would cause the spires to come to them.

It's also possible that your tank went move than 30 yards away from the battletanks, which is out of range, and would cause the blue domes to drop on next aggro target.
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NoFishing
05.04.2012 , 01:13 PM | #36
Quote: Originally Posted by Iandayen View Post
We have done this on both 8 man and 16 man, on the PTS throughout it's numerous changes and on live.
Just want to say thanks for this posting, I learned a lot. Our raid groups don't have many DPS with taunts, so I doubt we can pull off firebrand taunt-switch thing, but it is something to keep in mind.

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dcgregorya
05.04.2012 , 01:28 PM | #37
I've only personally witnessed this a limited number of times:

1) When our tank wasn't holding aggro. Fix - tell tank to taunt more and DPS/heals to use aggro drop skills.
2) When our tank was in a bad position. If he runs too far out of range or is too close to a tree or standing on the tank I think it glitches out and fails to drop the lightning in which case it'll drop the lightning on someone else.

Basically, make sure you have aggro and make sure you run in a concise and controlled pattern when dropping the lightning well within 30m of the tank and away from obstacles.

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AichaHalcyon
05.04.2012 , 05:39 PM | #38
Quote: Originally Posted by Iandayen View Post
Switching tanks completely is inefficient and dumb because for a moment the frontals are facing each other and there is a chance of both tanks eating 2 frontals each.
It's really not. If you swap immediately when Firebrand starts casting Incinerate Armor, your tanks should be in position and switched by the time the cast finishes, and you won't run into the situation you described where both tanks eat the frontal aoe abilities.

I'm not saying that the way you are doing it is wrong or the tank-swap method is better. But there is more than one way to skin a cat, and calling alternate methods "dumb" just because it isn't the way you do it doesn't help. For instance, in smaller guilds that run 8 man content, they might not always have a Guardian/Shadow/Vanguard dps in the group to taunt Firebrand after the Double Destruction cast. With most of these encounters, there isn't 1 set-in-stone way to do things. Group composition is a big factor as well. People should just get ideas, and try them to find out what works best for them
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pure_laced
05.04.2012 , 06:35 PM | #39
Quote: Originally Posted by AichaHalcyon View Post
It's really not. If you swap immediately when Firebrand starts casting Incinerate Armor, your tanks should be in position and switched by the time the cast finishes, and you won't run into the situation you described where both tanks eat the frontal aoe abilities.

I'm not saying that the way you are doing it is wrong or the tank-swap method is better. But there is more than one way to skin a cat, and calling alternate methods "dumb" just because it isn't the way you do it doesn't help. For instance, in smaller guilds that run 8 man content, they might not always have a Guardian/Shadow/Vanguard dps in the group to taunt Firebrand after the Double Destruction cast. With most of these encounters, there isn't 1 set-in-stone way to do things. Group composition is a big factor as well. People should just get ideas, and try them to find out what works best for them
I have done both ways. We did tank switches for the first several weeks, this week we finally had a DPS that could taunt (we never had a PT DPS, Sin, or Jugg) and we found the taunt way so much easier. While the tanks didn't fail on switches and didn't have the bosses face the raid, it just was a ton smoother. Doing it this way was our cleanest kill we have had with plenty of time (over a min) on the enrage timer.

it really is that easy.
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Iandayen
05.04.2012 , 07:35 PM | #40
Quote: Originally Posted by AichaHalcyon View Post
It's really not. If you swap immediately when Firebrand starts casting Incinerate Armor, your tanks should be in position and switched by the time the cast finishes, and you won't run into the situation you described where both tanks eat the frontal aoe abilities.

I'm not saying that the way you are doing it is wrong or the tank-swap method is better. But there is more than one way to skin a cat, and calling alternate methods "dumb" just because it isn't the way you do it doesn't help. For instance, in smaller guilds that run 8 man content, they might not always have a Guardian/Shadow/Vanguard dps in the group to taunt Firebrand after the Double Destruction cast. With most of these encounters, there isn't 1 set-in-stone way to do things. Group composition is a big factor as well. People should just get ideas, and try them to find out what works best for them
On 8 man hard you can just tank through the incinerate armor with a cooldown. Impossible to do that in 16.
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