Who would win in a battle, 8000 Armored Trandoshans against an army of 8000 Uruk'hai from the Lord of the Rings?

Each side gets to use only swords, spears, axes, ranged arrow fireing weapons, and shields. Each side also gets armor but NO horses or other mounts. Both sides will get 10 catapults (Trebuchet kind) and 5 of those giant crossbows. The two armies also have a large base camp 1.5 kilometers from each other with a field hospital and more than enough food, water and supplies. And btw the Trandoshans are the Qyzen'fess and bossk kind, not the fat kind. The battle shall be fought in a woodland environment.

Who would win in a battle, 8000 Armored Trandoshans against an army of 8000 Uruk'hai from the Lord of the Rings?

Each side gets to use only swords, spears, axes, ranged arrow fireing weapons, and shields. Each side also gets armor but NO horses or other mounts. Both sides will get 10 catapults (Trebuchet kind) and 5 of those giant crossbows. The two armies also have a large base camp 1.5 kilometers from each other with a field hospital and more than enough food, water and supplies. And btw the Trandoshans are the Qyzen'fess and bossk kind, not the fat kind. The battle shall be fought in a woodland environment.

 

I think trandoshans take this one.

I think you may be right due to their superior strength.

Eh I might have to roll with Uruk-Hai. I mean they were created specifically to be warriors and nothing else.

I'd go with the Uruk'hai. While Trandoshans are, well, awesome, I think the Uruk'hai would have just a little bit of an upper hand. Regardless, it would be a very close battle.

Yea, plus the Uruk'hai have bad ***** armor and weapons.

Anyone have anything else to add?

I'd have to go with trandoshans, seem to be a bit more intelligent to me. Uruks are more bloodthirsty and true made to be warriors but I wouldn't underestimate the big lizards

Trandoshans are a little bit more intelligent so they win. Uruks are just stupid brainless orcs.

An organised Uruk-Hai army is a force of nature and they do not retreat, Uruk-Hai are monstrosities and they are not just some ramble of mindless orcs, they are one singular vision, Saruman's vision and not only that but they are not stupid, contrary to popular belief.

 

Case in point:

Edited March 7, 2014 by LadyKulvax

Uruk'hai seem to like to go on suicide missions like diving into explosives.

Uruk'hai seem to like to go on suicide missions like diving into explosives.

 

Uruk-Hai Berzerkers do, yes.

Trandoshans(sophisticated and skilled hunters)> Uruk'hai (brutes)

 

I assume they are not going to fight in a pitched battle of shield wall vs shield wall.

Edited March 13, 2014 by Kaedusz

Uruk Hai weren't just brutes, they could be trained for complex things, they can be disciplined and taught to specialize in certain types of warfare.

 

This whole Uruk-Hai are mindless brutes thing is very wrong, are they highly intelligent? some are, most aren't, but they can still be extremely well trained.

 

They were taught unit cohesion, complex formations, the most intelligent of them could even be taught in the tactics and strategies of warfare.

 

At the end of the Battle of Helm's Deep, the Orthanc Commanders as they were known, were able to rally their forces into a retreat to Isengard, because the Uruks in command were smart enough to realise that if they all died here in a bloodbath, nothing would be left to defend Isengard, so they retreated, something almost any Uruk-Hai was trained not to do, but the Uruk commanders still pulled it off, it was fruitless of course, but they still did it.

Edited March 14, 2014 by LadyKulvax

Have to go with Urukhai,while trandoshans are good hunters,I think in a large scale battle they would get destroyed by the Urukhai.

Uruk Hai weren't just brutes, they could be trained for complex things, they can be disciplined and taught to specialize in certain types of warfare.

 

This whole Uruk-Hai are mindless brutes thing is very wrong, are they highly intelligent? some are, most aren't, but they can still be extremely well trained.

 

They were taught unit cohesion, complex formations, the most intelligent of them could even be taught in the tactics and strategies of warfare.

 

 

As i said the battle would hardly be pitched one.It's going to be a chaotic mess in the forest(check the op).

there will be 1v1 battles all over the placer.This won't be a battle line vs a battle line.

 

The trandoshans win in such a scenario ,without problems.

Edited March 14, 2014 by Kaedusz

As i said the battle would hardly be pitched one.It's going to be a chaotic mess in the forest(check the op).

there will be 1v1 battles all over the placer.This won't be a battle line vs a battle line.

 

The trandoshans win in such a scenario ,without problems.

 

Pretty much this, Trandoshans are Hunters, not warriors, and highly intelligent. We've seen how incredible they can be at hunting before, Trandoshans literally set up entire Moons to hunt on and we've seen plenty in action.

 

The Trandoshans would just slowly whittle away most of the Uruk'hai, because whilst the Uruk'hai are far from apes and brutes, the Trandoshans are sharp minded tacticians and warriors dedicated to the Hunt.

Yet one assumes that just because this is a woodland environment, the Uruk Hai won't simply march on regardless, 1 vs 1 battles are not the only form of war here, the armies of the white hand were trained to march in formations, they weren't ambush parties.

Yet one assumes that just because this is a woodland environment, the Uruk Hai won't simply march on regardless, 1 vs 1 battles are not the only form of war here, the armies of the white hand were trained to march in formations, they weren't ambush parties.

 

They can't just march in one long line, it leaves them very open...

And of course, the issue of camps is another thing.

 

They wouldn't all camp in one place, and even if they did, wouldnt be hard for the Trandoshans to catch them.

 

They were pretty good at picking off straglers, that's how they took Ahsoka down when she was With Anakin and Obi Wan

 

Here we can see that the Uruk-hai are more than capable of fighting in woodland environments.

 

Now consider this: these Uruks aren't even a year old yet and they managed to successfully track, hunt and attack the Fellowship of the Ring, only eight people in the entirety of the eastfold, managed to kill Boromir, the mightiest Gondorian Warrior of the age who killed many hundreds of Orcs in his time, fought Aragorn, Gimli and Legolas, three of the most experienced and skilled warriors of each of their race and still made it off with two of the halflings.

 

just any group of orcs would be massacred wholesale by such warriors of the Free Peoples, but the Uruks still achieved their goal.

 

This time it's many multiples of these groups of Uruks, more heavily armoured and even better trained.

 

Uruk-Hai were among the strongest soldiers in the armies of the Two Towers of Mordor and Isengard.

 

The Trandoshans are not going to win due to the environment here.

 

This is however what the Trandoshans will be facing, these Uruks manage to successfully attack and breach the Deeping Wall, which is defended by the Galadhrim Royal Guard, some of the finest warriors of the Third Age of Middle-Earth, warriors with thousands of years of experience whom likely fought in the Last Alliance.:

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-e3PtXfxWog

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rXwh3eVaScc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lT9Y-YeDtG4

Edited March 15, 2014 by LadyKulvax

 

Now consider this: these Uruks aren't even a year old yet and they managed to successfully track, hunt and attack the Fellowship of the Ring, only eight people in the entirety of the eastfold, managed to kill Boromir, the mightiest Gondorian Warrior of the age who killed many hundreds of Orcs in his time, fought Aragorn, Gimli and Legolas, three of the most experienced and skilled warriors of each of their race and still made it off with two of the halflings.

 

How is Boromir being shot an argument for your point?

Managing to kidnap 2 hobbits is what? An argument in the context of a fight vs Trandoshans? Where is the logic in that?

Yes Uruk'hai are badas$,that's why they are better than ordinary orcs,but Trandoshans is something different entirely.

Edited March 15, 2014 by Kaedusz

How is Boromir being shot an argument for your point?

Managing to kidnap 2 hobbits is what? An argument in the context of a fight vs Trandoshans? Where is the logic in that?

Yes Uruk'hai are badas$,that's why they are better than ordinary orcs,but not better than Trandoshans.

 

They successfully attacked four of the mightiest warriors in Middle-Earth, killed one and made it off with half of their quarry, whilst only losing about half their number.

 

But hey thanks for completely ignoring my main argument.

 

Those Uruks that attacked the Fellowship were noobies with no training, were less than a year old and were lightly armed, yet they could easily fight them in a woodland environment, so there goes the environment = Trandoshan victory argument.

 

Those Uruks that attacked the Fellowship were noobies with no training, were less than a year old and were lightly armed, yet they could easily fight them in a woodland environment, so there goes the environment = Trandoshan victory argument.[/color]

 

I don't think's skill progresses the same way with experience,the same way it does with ordinary beings.When they are born,they have everything they need,skills wise.

 

I have absolutely no idea what do you mean by easily. All i saw is a fight,half of it in the woods,half of it in a clearing.Have no idea where the ''easily'' from.

 

Imagine instead of the fellowship, a band equal in number of experienced bounty hunter trandoshans? This match is not even fair.i mean are you even serious

Edited March 15, 2014 by Kaedusz

I don't think's skill progresses the same way with experience,the same way it does with ordinary beings.When they are born,they have everything they need,skills wise.

 

I have absolutely no idea what do you mean by easily. All i saw is a fight,half of it in the woods,half of it in a clearing.Have no idea where the ''easily'' from.

 

Imagine instead of the fellowship, a band equal in number of experienced bounty hunter trandoshans? This match is not even fair.i mean are you even serious

 

That same band would also be completely out-matched by Legolas, an elf thousands of years old, a Sindarin who was the son of Thranduil and is noted as one of the greatest marksman of all time, with skill and grace un-matched even amongst his own kin.

 

Boromir, the Captain of Gondor who almost single handedly won the first Battle of Osgiliath and slaughtered hundreds of Orcs on the east bank, almost retaking the city by himself, noted as one of the finest warriors Gondor had ever seen.

 

Aragorn, a Dunedain Ranger, trained by the Elves in hunting and has hunted and destroyed camps of Orcs all his life and was a master swordsman, blessed with the blood of Kings and was known to be able to battle Trolls single-handedly, not to mention fighting off the Nine, Sauron's most deadliest servants on three occasions.

 

Gimli, son of Gloin and one of the most well-renowned Dwarf Warriors of all time, who had fought in battles against the Goblins of the Misty Mountains his entire life.

 

If a batch of about 80 noobie Uruks who were poorly armed and armoured could actually achieve their mission, an army of 8,000 heavily trained and heavily armoured Uruks are going to be far far tougher, hence defeating the Galadhrim Royal Guard at Helm's Deep, oh and we are going off the films here so yes they did actually battle and defeat them.

 

Also it's canon fact that Uruk-Hai took at least a few months of heavy training to be effective, going off the official timeline of the books, the Uruks sent by Saruman to ambush the Fellowship were only six weeks old.

Edited March 15, 2014 by LadyKulvax

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Yes i know all the movie by heart,dialogue and scenes included+ have read the book,you don't need to pin point individual events or describe the characters.

The battle is between Uruks and Trandoshans ,not between the Fellowship vs Trandoshans.

 

They were poorly armoured ,because they needed to be fast for the chase.

 

Anyway... again ... how is kidnapping 2 hobbits,while the rest were occupying the rest of the Fellowship, an indication or an argument in the context of a fight vs Trandoshans .I can't see any connection.

Edited March 15, 2014 by Kaedusz