First lets get this straight. Starkiller is over-rated and terrible character from a terrible game series period.

 

So is Revan. Except for the terrible series part.

 

What did Starkiller accomplish? Absolutely nothing. He didn't conquer or save a galaxy. He wasn't a hero. He was a apprentice to Vader and was tricked into bringing the republci together, it wasn't his idea. He was just looking to be with Juno Eclipse.

 

His actions led to the salvation of the galaxy. Whether they were manipulated by Palps or not. To the rebels, he gave them hope and inspired them to fight.

 

Revan. Saved the galaxy a few times:

- Defeated Mandalorians invasion

Not alone, but he did lead the charge.

- Defeated his Sith Empire that he built himself in the Republic space

Revan's Sith Empire was an extension of the Emperors will. He only delayed the true Empire, but I understand what you mean.

- He slowed down the true Sith invasion of Republic for long time

The Star Forge was meant to hasten the approach of the Sith Empire. Destroying the Star Forge only kept the Empire on it's original schedule.

- Revan master both light and darkside.

No he did not. He only used both sides. Never did he master both.

- He Ruled as a leader of the Sith empire

He was never a ruler of the Sith Empire. As I said before, Revan's Empire was an extension of the true Empire. He had control over his forces, but he was never a leader of the Sith Empire.

- Sith Emperor thought alot of him to enforce him to take over republic space.

Revan was a means to an end. When the Emperor learned of the Star Forge, he saw Revan and Malak as tools to hasten the creation of his mighty armies. After Revan destroyed the Star Forge, the Emperor had to proceed with his original, which would take another three hundred years or so.

- He was tactical general for the republic

No argument there, but there isn't anything special about that.

- He made Jedi master

No he did not. At least I don't think so.

- He got the girl at the end

True, but so did Starkiller so this point is invalid.

 

Starkiller

- Lapdog who followed whatever Vader told him for most part. Only when Vader turned on him trying to kill him that he got a mind of his own.

Sure. Why don't you get raised from childhood by an evil Sith Lord and we'll see how you turn out. I don't blame Starkiller for following orders. Vader was a very strict "parent". If you did something wrong, you were punished. He followed orders to avoid punishment and to please his master.

 

He was killed in the first game trying to kill Sidious and Vader. Yes he died a failure. Yet Republic thought he was inspiration? Stupid, wasn't his idea it was Sidious trying to draw out republic.

 

Have you ever heard of sacrifice? He sacrificed himself to save the rebels and to continue the cause. Not only did his sacrifice save the rebels, but it also led to the salvation of the galaxy.

- Starkiller never had purpose and not did anything to improve the galaxy. Nothing memorable about him.

Started the rebellion. I guess forming the group that saves the galaxy is not memorable to you.

- His only stardom or fame was the outrageous force powers put in the force unleashed games although they destroyed canon and Vader's legacy. Throw out the door that Anakin had potential to be the most powerful and throw out mid-chorlians when Starkiller is owning Vader.

 

The outrageous Force powers started when Palpatine reappered in the galaxy. If you read up on some EU material, you would see that Vader also did some extreme stuff as well. Read the TFU novel and you will see that Vader was hardly concentrating on the fight.

 

 

Please put one good thing Starkiller did for the galaxy? Name one thing other than false inspiration not of his making?

 

That "False" inspiration led to the salvation of the galaxy. If it was sooo false, that would not have happened. He also killed Shaak Ti. That is no easy feat either.

 

 

Revan saved galaxy multiple times and came from a great game series that brought something good to canon of star wars and not destroy it like starkiller. Big difference between the two. Revan showed his potential and actually did stuff like create a sith empire, save galaxy multiple times and actually got the gir at the end of the game.

 

Revan wasn't a stalker like Starkiller either. Because TFU2 had clone and he wasn't original Starkiller. .

 

 

He saved the galaxy twice. The first is legitamate because he stopped the Mandos. The second was not. If fact, he almost doomed the galaxy. Had it not been for Malaks foolishness and the risks the Jedi took, the Sith Empire would have dominated. But then Revan saved the galaxy, but only because of Malak and the Jedi. Revan would have destroyed the galaxy. You could even go so far as to say Malak saved the galaxy. If he had not attacked Revan's cruiser, Revan would have destroyed the Republic.

 

 

Just a few points up there in red. It seems to me that Starkiller did a whole lot more than you think.

To get serious, I considered Starkiller to be a much better charecter, and when one considers the legacy the two left behind, Starkiller actually accomplished something.

 

Yes Revan stopped the Mandolorians (with the help of the Exile), and took down Malek, but let's get real Revan was kinda responsible for the mess Malek caused. Revan failed to take down the Emperor, in fact he ended up being the Emperor's prisoner for about 300 years...

 

Starkiller went from being Vader's apprentice, a litle kid that Vader twisted into being a puppet with Vader being the puppet master, to singlehandedly starting the Rebellion the very same Rebel Alliance that took down Emperor Palpatine. Starkiller saved the fledgling Alliance.

 

Then Starkiller's clone (assuming it was a clone (due to all of Galen's near death experiences, for all we know it could be the original Galen)) escaped from Vader and went on a hunt to save Juno Eclipse. Vader made the mistake of not leaving things alone, which caused Galen to turn around and hand the Alliance a much needed victory, so that people would start thinking the Alliance would have a chance.

 

Revan fell to the darkside, Galen was trained to be a darksider and ultimately rejected it.

 

The problem for Revan if he faced Galen is that Revan is a brilliant tactician but tactical plans seem to be a waste of time when one has to take on Galen. Remember Galen had to take on brilliant tacticians completely on his own, General Kota is a good example.

 

Additionally we have Starkiller's rather unique way of arriving to rescue Juno, I seriously doubt Revan would ever be able to predict someone pulling something that crazy, much less actually surviving it.

A lot of people don't like Starkiller because of how he was implimented into the greater SW story, ontop of how over the top his Force abilities are portrayed. To be quite honest, that's how I wish the Force had always been portrayed because it makes the SW movies and everything else seem tame.

Well, considering some of the things palpatine has done with the force (lookin at you, fleet that got wiped out by one force power) Starkiller's powers are rather limited in comparison. They are mostly basic force powers, only jumbo sized. Well, that or mind control in the sequel.

 

 

And what tactician would plan for a cruiser, followed by a sith running rampant in your base?

Yea this fight would end in a draw, no way do I see one of them overcoming the other. They would just keep going at it for a long time. Revan would just plain use his experience and tactical advantage into outmanuvering Starkiller and bringing the pain to him. Then I just see Starkiller overpowering any obstacle Revan throws at him using his sheer power.

 

Thus I just see this fighting dragging out for a long freaking time.

A lot of people don't like Starkiller because of how he was implimented into the greater SW story, ontop of how over the top his Force abilities are portrayed. To be quite honest, that's how I wish the Force had always been portrayed because it makes the SW movies and everything else seem tame.

 

Totally agree and you inspired me to respond.

 

One key force power has been overlooked so far, which is Force Transfer. Between the first and second books he dies something like four times (if you believe Vader at the beginning of the second one he's died 100's of times). If you go back and read the Darth Bane trilogy, the 3rd book talks about force transfer quite a bit as it is Bane's answer to if the 'rule of 2' isn't followed...

 

Galen's natural force power is to be able to transfer himself as needed spontaneously as a defense mechanism.

 

Several of the recent TOR novels as well as the game itself talk about each Jedi having a default natural jedi power... So loosely tying the pieces together. That's what I have to add to the convo.

 

Also I've read both books and have completed both games 3+ times per. Absolutely love TFU 1/2.

Starkiller is quite possibly the only character invented in the EU, specifically for a graphics engine. He has zero basis for the majority of his strength and is in general, non-canon. He's a joke.

 

Well said

Starkiller is quite possibly the only character invented in the EU, specifically for a graphics engine. He has zero basis for the majority of his strength and is in general, non-canon. He's a joke.

 

Game mechanics have always been Non Canon. The two novels written about Starkiller, however, are both C-Canon.

Galen took down a destroyer so.........

 

Anyway i think the advantage starkiller has over Revan is that when he rages... he gets insanely powerful and will overpower Revan eventually.

And he has a couple of years on Revan

Galen took down a destroyer so.........

 

Anyway i think the advantage starkiller has over Revan is that when he rages... he gets insanely powerful and will overpower Revan eventually.

And he has a couple of years on Revan

 

He didn't take it down, it was already falling and he guided it down.

First lets get this straight. Starkiller is over-rated and terrible character from a terrible game series period.

 

What did Starkiller accomplish? Absolutely nothing. He didn't conquer or save a galaxy. He wasn't a hero. He was a apprentice to Vader and was tricked into bringing the republci together, it wasn't his idea. He was just looking to be with Juno Eclipse.

 

Revan. Saved the galaxy a few times:

- Defeated Mandalorians invasion

- Defeated his Sith Empire that he built himself in the Republic space

- He slowed down the true Sith invasion of Republic for long time

- Revan master both light and darkside.

- He Ruled as a leader of the Sith empire

- Sith Emperor thought alot of him to enforce him to take over republic space.

- He was tactical general for the republic

- He made Jedi master

- He got the girl at the end

 

Starkiller

- Lapdog who followed whatever Vader told him for most part. Only when Vader turned on him trying to kill him that he got a mind of his own.

 

He was killed in the first game trying to kill Sidious and Vader. Yes he died a failure. Yet Republic thought he was inspiration? Stupid, wasn't his idea it was Sidious trying to draw out republic.

 

- Starkiller never had purpose and not did anything to improve the galaxy. Nothing memorable about him.

- His only stardom or fame was the outrageous force powers put in the force unleashed games although they destroyed canon and Vader's legacy. Throw out the door that Anakin had potential to be the most powerful and throw out mid-chorlians when Starkiller is owning Vader.

 

 

Please put one good thing Starkiller did for the galaxy? Name one thing other than false inspiration not of his making?

 

 

Revan saved galaxy multiple times and came from a great game series that brought something good to canon of star wars and not destroy it like starkiller. Big difference between the two. Revan showed his potential and actually did stuff like create a sith empire, save galaxy multiple times and actually got the gir at the end of the game.

 

Revan wasn't a stalker like Starkiller either. Because TFU2 had clone and he wasn't original Starkiller. .

 

Thats a very unbiased argument you have there >.>

Starkiller could face up to Palpatine, Darth Vader, whilst not forgetting the moving of Star Destroyers! Without a doubt the most powerful. A bit too much maybe...

Starkiller could face up to Palpatine, Darth Vader, whilst not forgetting the moving of Star Destroyers! Without a doubt the most powerful. A bit too much maybe...

 

He never fought Palpatine, he won against Vader by the skin of his teeth and he didn't really move a star destroyer he just guided it down slowing its decent.

He never fought Palpatine, he won against Vader by the skin of his teeth and he didn't really move a star destroyer he just guided it down slowing its decent.

 

I must say, despite how much I hate those games, what he has done is very impressive, when he faced down Palpatine, even though Sidious wasn't trying, he still held on long enough to blow them both back to last week and defeating Vader is no small feat at all, he killed many Jedi without trying, Galen managed to beat him and if I remember the novel correctly, he didn't kill him because he felt sorry for him, once he realised Vader was manipulated much the same way he had been.

I must say, despite how much I hate those games, what he has done is very impressive, when he faced down Palpatine, even though Sidious wasn't trying, he still held on long enough to blow them both back to last week and defeating Vader is no small feat at all, he killed many Jedi without trying, Galen managed to beat him and if I remember the novel correctly, he didn't kill him because he felt sorry for him, once he realised Vader was manipulated much the same way he had been.

 

Oh not saying what he did isn't impressive it is, but some people are still thinking that games are the actual canon.

I find it funny people always refer to canon..

The x vs y threads/battles are just speculation don't take it too seriously with canon and non-canon.

GL allowed them to make galen and revan or any other character the way they were/are in the game.

And when fans start to scream murder.. about some things, uncle georgie must make it canon or non canon to make em happy

Yeah, this is the only Revan vs whoever thread that seems to bring up actual canon, and then only the people who dislike starkiller bring it up, then try to claim he isn't part of it.

 

Has anything else negated starkiller's presence in canon? Show me something that explicitly refutes his existance, and then we can start talking "Canon"

Yeah, this is the only Revan vs whoever thread that seems to bring up actual canon, and then only the people who dislike starkiller bring it up, then try to claim he isn't part of it.

 

Has anything else negated starkiller's presence in canon? Show me something that explicitly refutes his existance, and then we can start talking "Canon"

 

Ahh..........................nothing really comes to mind. Though really, I think VS threads should be more then just force user vs force user this way things are different and some people might have to use their heads.

Galen survived uncontrolled entry of a planet's atmosphere while standing atop a Nebulan-B Escort Frigate... That is not simply game mechanics, that's in the Novel for Force Unleashed II. Then he guided that Frigate into a city's shield generator.

 

There is no way Revan could predict what Galen was going to do.

Dont forget the gorog. What was that thing, anyway? some mutant rancor/spaceship hybrid?