thats wow..... bw has no auto group finding or auto raid finding. and again if you want to be casual do casual content it wont affect us. If you want to do harder stuff then be ready to be judged addons or not.

Guilds are for like minded people, if a bunch of casuals want to raid go for it no addons, no one is saying they have to dl addons. But if a casual wants to join a group of "hardcore or semi hard core" then they are joining that guild full knowledge they going to be judged on a skill basis. So if you not into that judging then don't join, people will group together with like minded players.

I actually enjoyed lvling without addon's was nice not having to mess around with them. But when it comes to raiding you need simple addons to help you out. Im not talking boss mods or that make the game way easy but meters for dps/dmg taken/heals and what not be amazing

I enjoyed your wall o text

Tools are tools, If a guild leader or raid leader isnt using the tool properly is that the tools fault? No, if your gm/rl can't see that people do more dmg on certain fights or less healing due to nature of fights. Then you need to find a new one. I've lead about 20 guilds into raiding and each time you must know the in's and out's of the fight and understand melee/ranged do different things ie picking up adds switching targets moving out of ranged fire or melee fire depends always on fight.

Players who want these tools are raid leaders, they want to weed out bads and recruit good players for raiding. If you don't want these tools then don't use them simple as that. Others want these tools, and swtor should allow addons which they have been saying they will, just not at launch

all of those are in dmg meters if you stand in fire it tells you how much dmg you took and also where from. Also it calculates in over healing.... Ive played over 10 mmo's so wow is not only thing making me say this

if no macro/mods you might as well say no keybinds and make this a clicker only game. I agree some addon's not needed but some are very needed, Ie dps meters/heal meters for raiding its a must.

quite honestly if they aren't going to have addons that show heal meters or dps meters imma probably not going to raid. Too many times people slow down raiders because dont know how to play. I mean no one should be doing less 1k dps from same class and same sort of gear.

someone got kicked out because lack of dps or heals lols