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I thought the Operative/Scoundrel stuff was BS..

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I thought the Operative/Scoundrel stuff was BS..

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Jnaathra
Old 12.28.2011 , 07:28 PM | #11
Quote: Originally Posted by Tinkar View Post
You're right. It probably will get changed. It'll probably get overkilled and they'll be worthless.

Honestly I would have been more upset at you for "afking" like you did while contributing nothing.
Well since the game lacks any form of combat log (to cover things like this up).. There is little way to get any form of numbers outside visually doing so.

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Old 12.28.2011 , 07:30 PM | #12
Quote: Originally Posted by Jnaathra View Post
Well since the game lacks any form of combat log (to cover things like this up).. There is little way to get any form of numbers outside visually doing so.
You never answered me about the guy below him. It was ok for him to almost match (~15k) the agents damage, but get 10 more kills?

The agent is op, but he wasn't?

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Kal-Ekh
Old 12.28.2011 , 07:34 PM | #13
I sense major l2p, even if you were getting stomped by premade.

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Old 12.28.2011 , 07:35 PM | #14
Quote: Originally Posted by Tinkar View Post
You never answered me about the guy below him. It was ok for him to almost match (~15k) the agents damage, but get 10 more kills?

The agent is op, but he wasn't?
I think everything should be looked at. I could sit here and make a pretty huge laundry list about issues.. I think anyone with half a brain could.

The Inquis (Sorc) racked up most of his damage by doing exactly what most BH players do.. By sitting back and AOEing a large group of clueless idiots. So that explains why he ended up with more kills. You get credit for anything you "assist" in killing.

The Operative on the other hand put out 100% of their damage on a target by target basis. Which demonstrates impressive, scary and down right bewildering burst potential.

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Old 12.28.2011 , 07:39 PM | #15
Quote: Originally Posted by MonkeyGenius View Post
Every class is pretty dumb if geared, built and played properly. Operatives/Scoundrels are far from OP if you consider what some other classes can do; such as a Guardian doing nearly 30k total damage with one ability. (http://guard-this.com/images/nyan/30k.jpg) while being in tank stance, guarding a teammate, etc.

I've seen Shadows, Sages, and even Vanguards do ~600k damage at the end of a WZ. It's not just a few classes, it's practically all of them.
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Old 12.28.2011 , 07:48 PM | #16
50 vs rest pvp just destroys this game for me, personally. Brackets work in every other game out there, but in swtor we have to wait weeks, maybe months for more 50s to show up until they get implemented, ruining pvp for everyone who isn't running to 50. Its way too late now anyway, so this is just bitter whining, but its good to vent sometimes.

I am on OP's server, too, and while i dont do that much pvp anymore, that dude isnt really pulling those numbers in every match. He never died, so maybe the other operative was his pocket healer, who knows. But they lost anyway, so who cares, really? Can't be that hard to push your stats when you ignore the ball alltogether.

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Old 12.28.2011 , 07:54 PM | #17
Quote: Originally Posted by Jnaathra View Post
I think everything should be looked at. I could sit here and make a pretty huge laundry list about issues.. I think anyone with half a brain could.

The Inquis (Sorc) racked up most of his damage by doing exactly what most BH players do.. By sitting back and AOEing a large group of clueless idiots. So that explains why he ended up with more kills. You get credit for anything you "assist" in killing.

The Operative on the other hand put out 100% of their damage on a target by target basis. Which demonstrates impressive, scary and down right bewildering burst potential.
Right. There are a lot of issues. There is very little to look at to come up with hard numbers... like you said.

Is the operative op? I don't know. Do I think we should be making forum posts calling for a nerf? If we have evidence it should be brought to light.

We do not and we shouldn't be making claims one way or another until we do.

Honestly? I bet that player (and/or his friends) could/would dominate in similar fashion with ANY class.

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Old 12.28.2011 , 07:59 PM | #18
Its funny cause I see a lot of calls for nurfing sorcs/sages and bounty hunters. I've seen those classes top 300k. But I'm here to tell you, none are as bad as Agents. Agents are outright downing people and theres nothing you can do about it. If you get the jump on them, they just drop combat any time they want. Its garbage.
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Old 12.28.2011 , 08:00 PM | #19
Quote: Originally Posted by Wasimodo View Post
50 vs rest pvp just destroys this game for me, personally. Brackets work in every other game out there, but in swtor we have to wait weeks, maybe months for more 50s to show up until they get implemented, ruining pvp for everyone who isn't running to 50. Its way too late now anyway, so this is just bitter whining, but its good to vent sometimes.

I am on OP's server, too, and while i dont do that much pvp anymore, that dude isnt really pulling those numbers in every match. He never died, so maybe the other operative was his pocket healer, who knows. But they lost anyway, so who cares, really? Can't be that hard to push your stats when you ignore the ball alltogether.
I was against this at first, I just didn't understand how huge of an impact gear and expertise would make. Now I see that I was wrong.. I don't think there should be as many brackets as people suggest since the expertise issue only seems to show its ugly face at level 50.

Two brackets would be more than enough to alleviate these growing pains.

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Old 12.28.2011 , 08:07 PM | #20
I agree with OP.

I find it ridiculous, that I wear heavy armor, yet a scoundrel/operative can 3-4 shot me.

Buff Juggs also while we're at it.