SWTOR is less than a month old, wow is 7 years old. Why do people compare?

because MMO players really care about voice actors

how much could voice acting have cost? 90% of the npc's sound british. they could have done that with like 2 people.

EH YO GOVNAH, GOT A BIT OF A WOMP RAT PROBLEEM DOWN BY THE OL PETROL STATION.


jesus, if i wanted to hear that for hours on end id have watched top gear.

And that is just it, your opinion. If you feel the game has so little to offer why are you here? I was THERE for the release of wow, and swtor has it not only beat in that regard, but crushed by a mile. To say otherwise shows either a complete lack of knowledge or a complete denial of reality, your choice. Smoothest mmo release in the history of the genre.

For some people, it will never beat wow, no matter what they add to it, if it had everything wow has done perfectly over 7 years PLUS what bioware has brought to the table, all done up with a pretty bow and free to boot, some people would still prefer wow. To each their own. However, to some people, this is already better than wow in many ways, and will continue to only get better. Some people have been waiting for a great SW based mmo for years, and will play the poop outta this game and run from wow like the boring, repetitive, recycling old ideas, life sucking monster that it is...

Either way, stop bashing either game and play what you love. be helpful and give bioware ideas to help make this game better or play wow. Negativity never solved anything, and they DO pay attention to the forums, unlike Blizz...

As for my .2 on the voice acting, good job Bioware. You expect things from Bioware and you expect things from Blizzard. One of the things people have come to know and love if they are Bioware fans is an amazing story. The kind of adventure you can really get drawn into and feel like you are a part of. This is what Bioware does better than anyone else, and they have hit it out of the part with that part of the game.

Now, does the mmo potion need a little improvement and polish? Yes. Do there need to be changes and improvements? Yes. Is it utterly broken and completely unplayable? Absolutely not. As has been said, best mmo release of all time as far as playability. If anyone remembers the NIGHTMARE the first 3-4 months, (or more) of wow were (and still is when they try to implement something new) this game is beyond the gold standard in comparison.

1. Give them time. (its been 8 days or so)
2. This is NOT and will hopefully NEVER be wow.
3. Pay or don't but stop ruining everyone else's impressions of the game, let them formulate their own, and be constructive.

I find it odd that the exact same people who would complain about a game like swtor being horrible are the same people who will play minecraft and troll about how utterly awesome it is. I suspect none of you would have lasted through the early 80's playing video games...

Ok, but if you can compare a really old game as wow with a shiny new one that had a chance to learn from good/bad things the leader did ALL THESE YEARS and still not have the new one win by far.... well something is wrong with this picture don't you think? :P

Because these are current options, you can play WoW in its current state or SWTOR in its current state. You can't play "SWTOR 7 years from now when its finally gets good" or "WoW back at realease when it had like no content omgz" so there is no point comparing them. It is very possible to release a game whitch would be better than 7 years old WoW. Actually RIFT is better game than WoW at the moment (and much better than SWTOR).

You say people live in denial? Look in the mirror. SWToR has had WAY longer time in production and the budget is HUGE. It is THE most expensive MMO in the whole world. And then you have comersals. WoW vanilla where only played by, and heard about by, old mmo players rom EVE, everquest, Earth & Beyond and some other old MMO games. The player mass then was tiny compered to today. WoW vanilla had a small fanbase based on Warcraft 2-3. Compered to the Star Wars fanbase, the WW fanbase is minitiny.

And as for the smoothest release in history, it my have been smooth but it was not the smoothest.
Rift had a smoother release. But if you did not play it, you could not know it.
Thouse who did see Rift on release will say that SWToR is lacking a ton of stuff compered to Rift too. The player friendly UI and the way you control and use the environment was way more polished.
And Rift had ½ the time on the table before release then SWToR.

SWToR is lacking in all departments on release date. It has potential but with the huge budget they have, the production time, compered to newer MMO, this game should beat the living shutout of them, but it does not, unless one is a fanboy and would be happy with a Alfa release.

Only on imperial side. (courtesy of original star wars movies)

Also, what the hell are you on about Top Gear?

yeah thats great. i was there for wow release too. and i have to disagree with this release being a homerun of any kind. making a game thats in worse shape/equal shape in 2011 than a game that came out in 2004 is anything but a homerun.

keep drinking the koolaid though.

And yet no-one has suspended the laws of physics, opened a wormhole into a new space-time-continuum and/or changed the way software is developed. Cut out the magical thinking.

SWTOR today lacks some of the polish which Blizz has been able to provide WoW. SWTOR today lacks the depth of content which WoW today has. Including these things in a new release would be impossible: software development takes a lot of time. Blizz has had it. BW hasn't.

However, SWTOR has clearly learned from WoW. The class system is/will be far easier to balance than WoW's is. The voice-overs and cutscenes (for those who like it) are a massive improvement over WoW's little scrolling windows. Making every class a pet class was smart, and including storylines for each companion adds a huge amount of depth to the game. The class quests that include individual instancing is a huge improvement, and it was a request WoW players have made for years.


Using this logic, no new MMO would ever be released, if it had to have the same level of sophistication and depth. WoW has had millions of users providing feedback for years, and huge teams of developers working on it for years. It has had three content-laden expansion pacs.

It is absolutely unreasonable to expect that a new title would have the same level of depth and sophistication. BW put their time and effort into story and gameplay, which are excellent.

They have delayed implementation of some features. But waiting to tweak some UIs, for example, was simply smart conservation of effort: they could have changed the AH UI or the default UI during beta, only to have the users at release complain, too. This way, they know there's an issue and are receiving lots and lots of user feedback to help them measure twice and cut once.

SWTOR holds up against WoW as well as any new MMO title could. I played WoW from release untl a couple months ago...and SWTOR is much better than WoW at release, I can tell you that. Anyone who says different was not playing WoW at release.

Either way, after SWTOR, I am not going back to WoW. So IMHO, SWTOR is better than WoW today, too.