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I Sacrificed My Character So You Don’t Have to...Or How Autocomplete Really Works

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I Sacrificed My Character So You Don’t Have to...Or How Autocomplete Really Works

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CloudCastle
01.02.2019 , 08:22 PM | #1
With the release of Ossus – and hopefully a full expansion in the future - I started to consider taking my stable of alts into the latest content using the autocomplete feature. Autocomplete enables you to skip all or part of the “Knights of-- Outlander” content and jump straight into Jedi Under Siege.

What I wanted to know is, can you skip part of that content and still retain some choices? Or is it an all or nothing thing? What happens to romances if you skip certain content? I decided that since I have so many characters, surely I could spare one for testing purposes, right? And then I figured that I can’t be the only person wondering about this. So…here it is, the Autocomplete Test. (Due to the nature of this test, there will be story spoilers in this post!)

What I learned:
One way of understanding the autocomplete feature is by dividing it into two types, let’s call them Hard Saves and Soft Saves. (My own made up terms.)

Hard save acts as a “save point” for your character, both story and game mechanics-wise, whereas soft save gives you default story choices but leaves your character in game mechanics limbo until you reach a hard save point.

There appear to be three hard save points:
KOTFE - End of Chapter 9
KOTET – beginning of Chapter 1
Ossus – beginning Jedi Under Siege, “Inflection Point” mission

The autocomplete feature is triggered when you play through any of these points. You will be given a warning message when you reach points 2 and 3. If you are jumping around, however, be mindful Padawan, because you may be asked to click two or even three times before the full autocomplete kicks in. (This happened on my trooper when I jumped to KOTET chapter 1. First click activated chapter and put it in my log, second click activated the autocomplete. Third click would have actually started the chapter.)

There are also “jumping off points” - places in the story where you can skip the previous content and jump back in. These include all the previous hard save points as well as:
Iokath

Iokath is a jump point (soft save) only, not a hard save point. This is an important distinction.

Why is all this important?
If you skip ahead in between any one of these hard autocomplete “save” points, your choices will be overwritten with the default ones for your class. Reaching a hard save point “saves” your choices up until that point, otherwise they will be erased.

Jumping around in between hard saves can cause some other weirdness, leaving your character in a state of companion and game mechanics limbo. For example, at one point the game allowed me to be in the middle of both the Iokath story arc and the KOTFE story arc, with chapters from both in my log. However, my companion roster only reflected up to the chapter I was on in KOTFE and not anything in between that and Iokath.

Unlocking story companions with Autocomplete:
Jumping ahead to a hard save point will automatically unlock any game mechanics features that were granted during those previous chapters ( ex. Eternal championship) as well as any companions that chose to join you (based on the default choices.) Until then, you may not have access to even your own companions from the terminal.

For example, my trooper completed chap 9 of KOTFE then jumped ahead to Iokath. Since I had skipped over KOTET, I assumed that any companions returned from KOTFE chap 9 onward would be available to me. I assumed I would get
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but I didn’t, because Iokath is not a hard save point, so I was in companion limbo. I checked the Odessen terminal but my only choices were
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While default story choices had been assigned to me (soft save autocomplete) the default companion choices had not yet been assigned to me (hard save autocomplete.)

Once I started KOTET chap 1, I was automatically granted
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Test Details
We know through a dev post that using the autocomplete feature sets your choices to a default unique to your class. (See post here.) So I tested by purposefully making a choice that went against the default for my class, and then skipped ahead at different points to see if that choice was preserved or overwritten.

Test Subject: Male Trooper
Romanced: Elara (married), Lana
Completed:
KOTFE up through chapter 10
“To Find a Findsman” Alliance Alert
Iokath Chapter
Started Ossus

This character skipped KOTET entirely. He
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in chapter 10 of KOTFE, then jumped ahead to Iokath where he met Elara. After finishing Iokath, he jumped ahead again and started Ossus, skipping Umbara, Copero and Nathema.

What happened:
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Some Inconsistencies
The “interactions” section of the companions and contacts menu is not playing nicely with the autocomplete feature. Once I started Ossus, Koth and Kaliyo’s panels still referenced that
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while Senya’s said I hadn’t. This could potentially be confusing and misleading because counting on that panel to confirm or deny the existence of certain story flags may now not be reliable.

After completing the first scene of Ossus, I discovered the H1-R1 droid who is there is fix another Lana bug some people had. I was able to click on it and do the quest. I quit out but I’m not sure what the consequences are for doing this. I guess I could have stealth married Lana by filing some paperwork without telling her? The second option was that we were not married or engaged, but it didn’t say whether or not clicking that option would END the romance. If anyone knows what the option does, let me know.

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CloudCastle
01.02.2019 , 08:23 PM | #2
Details: More on how to use Autocomplete

I mentioned that hard saves affect both story decisions and game mechanics whereas soft saves only affect story. What game mechanics are these? Starting KOTFE closes off all the previous chapters of your character not only story-wise, but also permanently changes some companions in ways that cannot be reversed.

Make sure you complete the following content before starting KOTFE, because once you do, you can never complete it again on that character. Ever.

Class story (chapters 1-3)
Class companion stories/conversations
Forged Alliances (Korriban/Tython story version flashpoints)
Shadow of Revan
Ziost

The following content is NOT affected. You will still have access to:
Planetary missions and bonus series missions
Ilum planetary arc
Rise of the Hutt Cartel (Makeb)
Oricon story arc

Odessen and Zakuul:
Odessen and Zakuul are planets introduced during the KOTFE story. You must complete chapter 9 of KOTFE to access all the features here. For example, before chapter 9 you can visit Odessen and walk around but that’s it.

Completing chap 9 of KOTFE unlocks the following:
Companion return terminal (more on this later)
Alliance crate turn-ins
Eternal Championship contests
Star Fortress missions

Being in pre-chapter 9 KOTFE also puts you in precarious limbo because of a Lana romance bug. If the game has a patch after you start KOTFE but before you reach chapter 9, your option to lock in and continue the Lana romance will disappear and cannot be recovered. You do not have to play chaps 1-9 in one session without stopping. You just can’t let a patch get in between them. Plan accordingly and hope there are no emergency hot fixes.

Companions:
Unlike in previous content, once you start KOTFE, the story will require you to use certain companions while you are engaged in that chapter. If a companion leaves during the story (even temporarily) they will also lose their summoning button. This means that while you are in between hard save points, you may find yourself in companion limbo. So if you pause the story content to go run some dailies or run a flashpoint, you may find yourself with less companions to choose from. The terminal does not always work here! Keep this in mind as you run content post KOTFE. You may want to do story content in chunks to keep yourself from companion limbo.

Alliance Alerts:
This is how companions who did not get roles in the story get returned. You will not have access to any of these until you complete chap 9 of KOTFE OR start KOTET chap 1. Then you must complete the mission To Find a Findsman, which will unlock the rest.

New vs. Old companion versions:
It is important to understand how else your companions change once you start KOTFE. There are now two versions of each companion, the old version and the new. Your companions will be taken away when you start KOTFE and will return slowly throughout the story (not all have yet to be returned.) When companions are returned you will receive the NEW version. What is the new version?

New version companions:
Can be acquired and used by all classes (not all companions, but most)
May use different weapons and can no longer use the old
Can no longer gain affection points through old story content
Have mouths that no longer move outside of story cut scenes
Will never make comments while on the landscape of the pre-KOTFE planets
Have facial customizations that may not work while in cut scenes (only affects some companions.)

If you are not sure which version you have, zoom in on their face and then click on them. If their mouth moves when they speak, they are the OLD version.

Once you accept the new version, you will never have access to the old version again. You can keep your old versions by completing chapter 9 of KOTFE, travelling to your private quarters on Odessen, and clicking the big round terminal there. Class story companions returned this way are the OLD version. However, once your companion is returned through the story, you are forced to take the new version. If your companion has returned in an Alliance Alert, you can keep the old version by using the terminal and never doing that alert. This may change if that companion is ever included in story content in the future, but so far it works.

Romances and Autocomplete OR How to Lose Your Romance in One Easy Step (Still theoretical)
This area is particularly difficult to test because there are so many variations to test for, and I wasn’t willing to throw away most of my romances to test it. What we do know however, is that if you skip over the chapter where your romance companion returns, you will miss the lock-in and be given the default which is NO romance.

Question is, what if you do the lock-in chapter and then skip? Given what we know about how other story decisions work, I believe the romances require reaching a hard save point, or else the default choice will override your lock-in.

Here’s the breakdown:
Story chapter companion returns
Affects: Aric, Kaliyo, Torian, Vette, Raina, Elara and Quinn

Kira has not yet returned but will probably be in this category.

If your companion returns during a story chapter, you must complete that chapter and then continue on up until the next hard autocomplete save point. Getting the romance lock-in pop-up message may not be enough!

Examples:
If you want to continue your romance with Torian, you must do ALL of KOTFE and then start chapter 1 of KOTET. From there you should, (in theory!) be able to skip the rest of KOTET, Iokath, Umbara, Copero and Nathema and jump to Ossus.

If you want to continue your romance with Elara or Quinn, you can skip all of KOTFE and KOTET, but you must do everything after Iokath and beyond.

If anyone has tested this for sure, pleased let us know!

Alliance Alert companion returns
Affects: Jaesa, Andronikos, Ashara, Corso, Iresso, Vector, Nadia, Doc, Risha, Akaavi

If your romance returns through an Alliance Alert, you are in luck, because you can reinitiate your romance again at any time once the alert becomes available, and you can skip whatever content you want and be unaffected, romance-wise. (Exception is Arcann – see below for more.)

New Companions
Affects: Lana, Theron, Koth and Arcann

If you want to lock in a romance with Lana, Theron or Koth, you must complete KOTFE up through chapter 9. Given that most of the romance content for these companions happens during KOTFE and beyond, you probably don’t want to be skipping too much anyway.

If you want to romance Arcann, you must play all of KOTET, and
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Once you can access his alliance alert that should lock it in, but skipping anything post KOTET could also override it. (Anyone tried this?)

Using the autocomplete feature to skip KOTET and go straight to Ossus will
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if you are a Republic character, but it will autocomplete his alliance alert and close you out of the romance. (Tested and confirmed on trooper.)

I hope this helps people when trying to understand what and where to skip, if that’s the route you decide to take.

Remember - everything depends on what hard save points you have passed!
KOTFE chap 9 (completed)
KOTET chap 1 (activated only, completing chapter not required)
Ossus (activated only, completing chapter not required)

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BenduKundalini
01.02.2019 , 08:27 PM | #3
Many thanks, earmarking this.

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Shingara
01.02.2019 , 08:30 PM | #4
Have you had any instances on your tests where chapter 9 messes up your details completely,
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CloudCastle
01.02.2019 , 08:50 PM | #5
Quote: Originally Posted by Shingara View Post
Have you had any instances on your tests where chapter 9 messes up your details completely,
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For the Lana romance, check my second post regarding the Lana romance bug to see if that situation applies to you. There is no fix for that bug, sadly. I haven't seen the other situation but definitely sounds buggy as well.

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01.02.2019 , 10:14 PM | #6
Thank you for all the time and effort you put into this! I'll be bookmarking for later use with my alts.
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Paulsutherland
01.02.2019 , 10:20 PM | #7
Thank you

You're awesome!

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tahol
01.02.2019 , 11:17 PM | #8
I don't know if they have changed the hard save system from the time I lost one romance with Theron and learned to never skip a chapter. I locked up the romance in Kotfe ch9, got tired somewhere at ch11 and jumped to Kotet. Result: Theron had dumped my sorry *** at some point. It didn't make any sense to me, and I contacted customer service in hope it was just a bug and could be fixed. Nope, I was told it is working as intended, and jumping over ANY chapter after ch9 will lead to lost romance and all decisions reverting to default. This was right after Kotet came live. Either cs was wrong and it was a bug, or they have changed the system at some point after that. Would love to know for sure because I haven't had courage to jump over any chapter after that and begin to be pretty tired of it.

I didn't take it well and rage deleted that character. It happens, I'm not a very patient person.

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Swingkittie
01.03.2019 , 12:49 AM | #9
Quote: Originally Posted by tahol View Post
I don't know if they have changed the hard save system from the time I lost one romance with Theron and learned to never skip a chapter. I locked up the romance in Kotfe ch9, got tired somewhere at ch11 and jumped to Kotet. Result: Theron had dumped my sorry *** at some point. It didn't make any sense to me, and I contacted customer service in hope it was just a bug and could be fixed. Nope, I was told it is working as intended, and jumping over ANY chapter after ch9 will lead to lost romance and all decisions reverting to default. This was right after Kotet came live. Either cs was wrong and it was a bug, or they have changed the system at some point after that. Would love to know for sure because I haven't had courage to jump over any chapter after that and begin to be pretty tired of it.

I didn't take it well and rage deleted that character. It happens, I'm not a very patient person.
It makes no sense what they told you and probably a bug. I don't put much faith in the CSR system they have in place for this game.

Well reading all this has made it clear to me. Just run all the content if I don't want my characters to get screwed over. Since I've done KOTFE/KOTET and beyond it wouldn't be a big deal to just space bar through the cut scenes. Just that alone can get you through Chapter 1 in like 5 minutes!
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tahol
01.03.2019 , 02:03 AM | #10
Quote: Originally Posted by Swingkittie View Post
It makes no sense what they told you and probably a bug. I don't put much faith in the CSR system they have in place for this game.

Well reading all this has made it clear to me. Just run all the content if I don't want my characters to get screwed over. Since I've done KOTFE/KOTET and beyond it wouldn't be a big deal to just space bar through the cut scenes. Just that alone can get you through Chapter 1 in like 5 minutes!
I have no problem to do kotfe chapters 1-9, but chapters after those...they are insufferable torture. Especially the one where you meet Satele and Marr. I hate it so much I literally have to force myself through it and I curse and complain out loud when I do it, the whole chapter feels like living through a nightmare, a very boring nightmare.