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Why is Bioware so silent on major gear issues from 5.10?

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Why is Bioware so silent on major gear issues from 5.10?
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NuSeC
01.08.2019 , 03:01 PM | #301
Quote: Originally Posted by EricMusco View Post
These are good questions, so let me try to address them.


Thank you all for your continued feedback. Bigger itemization changes will come and we will definitely talk through them with you when they get here (not soon™). Thanks all.

-eric
(not soon™)

In other words.... You are all stuck with a ridicules gearing change - sole purpose is to intensify an already ridicules grind. It should be obvious.

"we will definitely talk through them" <- good one - saying this AFTER you already dropped gear changes you failed to mention.

We so believe you guys!

This is just like the ninja update that they claimed 2 servers for east and west.... only to have no actual west coast server but instead it is named that (despite it physically located on the east coast.)

LOL It is just funny now watching this all play out! Sad, I have more fun on the forums now than I do playing the game.
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Costello
01.08.2019 , 03:08 PM | #302
I wonder if gearing is the real issue.

Now I agree that it sucks, I don't think you can add two new tiers of gear on the back of the content added in 5.10. Nor am I a big fan of the limited way in which it can be obtained. That said, if they hadn't introduced new gear where would that leave people for the next x number of months till 6.0

If you are a story or solo player, 5.10 dropped at best 4 hours of story. Now if you are interested in story you probably consumed that in 2 nights (possibly one), your probably took a few characters through the either arc so hopefully a weeks worth of play some some nice dailies. Hardly though masses of content to keep people engrossed after the long dry spell.

While for PvP and GSF players, well you had the SUMMER OF PVP. Though it seems to be followed by the NEW YEAR of PVP for the amount of actual content this added. The game sadly falls short on PvP, no real open world and little gained aside from grinding out some points. Class balance, gear balance, group balance are still issues, along with win trading and a general lack of faction identity hardly make this a PvP mecca.

Now Operations have received a lot of love under Keith, though the latest Master Mode was suggested by the devs to be played by only a very small percentage of players. We all hazard guesses 1% maybe as much as 5%. For those that fall into that category there maybe enough to keep them going till 6.0. However for the 95% to 99% not really a great use of resources.

So gearing in 5.10 maybe bad. But if there wasn't the new gear grind and made to be unpopular so as to be seen as the big bad, would we instead be asking where is the content? WHat next and when? This way at least the majority are agreement the gearing is the issue, which they can take a few months fixing (to show listening to feedback) as opposed to complaints about how very little there is to do in game which is somewhat more damning.

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kodrac
01.08.2019 , 03:42 PM | #303
Quote: Originally Posted by Costello View Post
So gearing in 5.10 maybe bad. But if there wasn't the new gear grind and made to be unpopular so as to be seen as the big bad, would we instead be asking where is the content?
Of course. We got another tier of gear and a worse grind than before because they can't release any content. I thought that was obvious. I've been saying that since the new tier was announced with the road map.
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I’d find it hard to believe this sort of thing goes on in the preferential treatment forum.

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olagatonjedi
01.08.2019 , 05:48 PM | #304
Quote: Originally Posted by NuSeC View Post
I am going to go with the 180 version here.

It is obvious by the posters that they are less happy with the changes. The fact that people have left the game in droves after updates that they were warned not to release but did anyways... 5.0 is an excellent example.

You again seem to be playing to an extreme version of an extreme minority.

The stated example of massive player loss... measurable by fleet population alone (so much so they have merged servers like 4 times), it is easy to see that YOU would need to prove that more are happy than unhappy about those changes.

People have complained, they didn't listen, and now many if not most of those people are gone.

I am not going to argue with you here. All the evidence anyone needs is in the server merges and fleet population... or for folks like me who have been around from pre-launch - just looking at empty friends lists. Those players are now playing other games. I am more on the forum now than the actual game - I am actually playing something else as well and have been for over the past year.
People leave the game for a variety of reasons and cannot exclusively be deduced to a universally accepted definition or criteria of fun. People leaving is not proof, its speculation.

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olagatonjedi
01.08.2019 , 05:52 PM | #305
Quote: Originally Posted by Lhancelot View Post
The defenders here on the forums can rationalize the changes all they want, but not one of them have proclaimed the changes have been in the best interest of the game, nor have any of them said the changes have improved the gameplay and made the game more enjoyable. That says a lot about the most recent changes to the game.
Actually, many of my posts regarding the topics that i have posted on (since i dont post just to argue, i only post on topics i have something to say about) have indicated why it is beneficial or appropriate for the benefit of the game. The benefit is not always immediate like most players are looking for. The benefit is for longevity of the game, and its been stated many times by "the defenders."

And in regards to pvp gearing, it has also been discussed how pvp gearing had previously broken the game and been bad for the health of the game, especially in the era of separate pvp gear vs pve gear.

I dont understand how you (and others) always conclude that your view of the game is the majority view. I make no claims as such, and consistenly state that none of us have a clue what the population truly wants or wishes.

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TrixxieTriss
01.08.2019 , 10:11 PM | #306
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Everyone should just put the forum spammer (troll) on ignore. I find that it cuts a thread like this down from 7000 pages to only 30 pages.
I normally do, but sometimes when in game pvp is slow, the only recourse is forum pvp.

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Ardrossan
01.08.2019 , 11:03 PM | #307
I'm in one of the biggest guilds in SS [not SC]. We routinely have 20-30 people on at night, perhaps half that during weekdays. We mostly raid or do FPs, but also some pvp. As far as the 5.10 gearing goes, there have been a few convos about it in discord, and annoyance about our evasive community manager, but in general they do the Ossus WBs and grind for the weekly masterwork crystals without fuss. They rarely go to the forum, and when they do, it is only to read the gold posts for updates.

Now, is this typical of players? Maybe. I want to say 'probably'. They may be somewhat annoyed about the state of the game, but they still go out and grind for gear, and enjoy playing, and they don't make a big production about it on the forum. They wouldn't agree with Oleg, but they also wouldn't argue with him either, because at the end of the day, it's not the last straw.

For me personally, I've barely done Ossus with one character [I stayed for the reveal, then got bored and played a different game]. I've made no move to collect masterwork crystals, or to get my characters through ossus to grind rep. Just as UC and GCXP was originally broken when it was first released, this will probably get fixed too. Soon? Probably not. I also don't care enough to complain, because lots of other people are willing to either complain or play it through so I don't have to. By the time I get around to actually grinding Ossus, it'll be fixed so it won't be as much of a pain as it is for you. So, I guess I should say thank you. Thank you for beta-testing this, and sacrificing your time and emotional stamina, to make it easier on the casuals who will come later.

Does that put your melodrama in perspective?
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NuSeC
01.08.2019 , 11:16 PM | #308
Quote: Originally Posted by olagatonjedi View Post
People leave the game for a variety of reasons and cannot exclusively be deduced to a universally accepted definition or criteria of fun. People leaving is not proof, its speculation.
Universal accepted? People cant agree on weather.
That is why words like "majority" and "minority" are used.

The MAJORITY of players are unhappy with the gear changes.

Also, it is not speculation when they say why...
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aryss
01.09.2019 , 05:56 AM | #309
Quote: Originally Posted by NuSeC View Post
Universal accepted? People cant agree on weather.
That is why words like "majority" and "minority" are used.

The MAJORITY of players are unhappy with the gear changes.

Also, it is not speculation when they say why...
Just let it go, NuSeC.
It's pretty clear he thinks himself superior to everyone else and his opinion is the only that matter. I found that putting him on ignore saved a lot of my time. After all, to quote Einstein: "Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former."

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olagatonjedi
01.09.2019 , 07:41 AM | #310
Quote: Originally Posted by NuSeC View Post
Universal accepted? People cant agree on weather.
That is why words like "majority" and "minority" are used.

The MAJORITY of players are unhappy with the gear changes.

Also, it is not speculation when they say why...
You agreed with my point, perhaps without realizing it. However, the majority of players likely dont post or even come to the forums. Where are you getting data that shows the majority of players are unhappy?