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TrixxieTriss
08.26.2018 , 11:03 AM | #31
Quote: Originally Posted by Andryah View Post
In your zeal for a perfect playing field with no attempts to cheat by anyone ..... I think you took the comment from Eric to an editorial extreme.

No company actually wants to ban players... but they DO want them to behave within stipulated norms (hence the purpose of a ToS, and enforcement of it). Which is why they have Terms of Service and a sliding range of sanction discipline to begin with.

And non-permanent sanctions are one of the better ways to go about the more malicious trouble makers... and if they continue to persist... they can and do perma-ban multiple time offenders.

Stop pretending like they never suspend, or never perma-ban bad offenders. By your imperative.. you would have been banned from the forum by now... rather then just receiving the occasional removed thread/post and a warning or short suspension. Yet.. if you were persistently bad in the forum... you would in fact get perma-banned. Same goes for the game.... only on a wide range of issues or bad behaviors.
I assume you listened to the podcast? If so, your interpretation was different to mine. Especially when the other two Bio guys were in favour of harsher punishments. I guess people can make up their own minds by listening to the podcast,

As for forum warnings and bans, let me tell you, they are more strict here than in the actual game.

We all have opinions and interpret things from different perspectives. Yours and mine are often different. This is just another one of those occasions.

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TrixxieTriss
08.26.2018 , 11:09 AM | #32
Quote: Originally Posted by ZionHalcyon View Post
if you read the recent interview with former BioWare employee Daniel Erickson, you will see that they don't wonder at all. Their actual business model was to have people drop off and only come back for new content. They seem perfectly fine with doing things that way.

in other words, the Fatal flaw was their core philosophy in the first place and no plans designed to keep those interested in content and story playing the game.
Yes, I’m the one that posted the interview

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kukumburr
08.26.2018 , 12:25 PM | #33
Quote: Originally Posted by TrixxieTriss View Post
It seems they also don’t like to punish people for cheating in the first place. It really made me mad when Musco said that in the Podcast. They prefer not to ban people, just encourage better behaviour. (Totally hippy, let me give you a hug, crap)
I'm in favor of punishment but instead of banning outright I liked the idea of just banning them from queuing for ranked. I think one of the devs mentioned that it was technically possible for them to do that. First offense ban them from the current (or next) season, second offense ban them for next 2 seasons, etc. or something. Maybe eventually permaban if they keep doing it. They do want people to keep giving them money after all, not really good business sense to ban for everything. But yeah I don't think just encouraging better behavior helps much.

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aerockyul
08.26.2018 , 01:45 PM | #34
Quote: Originally Posted by casirabit View Post
This. I will not do pvp. I have done exactly twice in the years I have been here. (1) to get the droid companion and (2) the dark/light event. While I know some people like pvp there is really nothing in pvp that interest me and if they are going to only focus on pvp then ....

And on another note, most of the people in my guild have been here since launch and they have stayed more than the casual ones so I am not sure where they are getting their ideas about the vets of the game.
That's the difference between anecdotal and empirical data. Their "ideas" come from empirical data that only they have. 100% of the "ideas" from the player base is literally and unequivocally anecdotal, no matter how many people they think they know in-game or here.

We are a very tiny portion (forum-dwellers) inside another tiny portion (players who stick around more than a year, and even TINIER if they've played non-stop since launch). We really need to stop taking it so personally when they go in directions that we think is not what the population wants because they wouldn't do what they do if their empirical data didn't support it. It would be the stupidest business people in the history of business who would act against empirical data like that.
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08.26.2018 , 03:57 PM | #35
Seems like they finally figured out the value of PVPers. Don't need much new content, we only need bug fixes, population and BALANCE, a cheap and stable player base. I thank the effort put into the last patch with matchmaking and I hope for more fixes

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RafaelPeretz
08.26.2018 , 04:32 PM | #36
There was any mentions about class balance?
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08.26.2018 , 07:50 PM | #37
Quote: Originally Posted by Giberelina View Post
Seems like they finally figured out the value of PVPers. Don't need much new content, we only need bug fixes, population and BALANCE, a cheap and stable player base. I thank the effort put into the last patch with matchmaking and I hope for more fixes
Seems more like they're learning on the fly. You would've thought they'd have done that 6 years ago, but when you change dev teams every one or two years this is what you get.

The people want story! Ok so we'll write a new story and make it like TV seasons. Well, that didn't work out so well. They're dropping like flies and are crying out for end game activities. Then we'll give the people raids! Whew! That one raid was A LOT harder and took A LOT longer than we thought it would. What else have we got? PvP. The people want warzones! And on it goes.

Maybe it actually is their plan to focus on one aspect at a time (rightly or wrongly) and because their staff is so small now it takes them a year to do each one, but it sure comes off as throwing stuff at the wall and seeing what sticks.
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I’d find it hard to believe this sort of thing goes on in the preferential treatment forum.

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xordevoreaux
08.26.2018 , 07:55 PM | #38
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People who play SWTOR for a year or more are a small minority of the player base, former players who return for a few months when there is new content and totally new players that play for a few months are the vast majority
Truly unfortunate that this is their opinion. It means long-term pve players really need to have one foot out the door looking for something else sustainable to do for the day when PVE is a trifling and the day everyone posting on the forum for new story content is doing so in utter vain. At the moment they're doing it in only semi-utter vain.

Horribly disappointing.

Hopefully the PVP audience that the game will eventualy exclusively cater to will be enough to keep the game going because without new PVE story content going forward I know this is one long-term non-pvp paying subscriber who will be long gone.

Once the game is absolutely brimming with a cabal of toxic PVP players and no new PVE content, there will be no rhyme or reason for any other type of player to hang around.
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08.27.2018 , 12:51 AM | #39
Quote: Originally Posted by xordevoreaux View Post
Truly unfortunate that this is their opinion. It means long-term pve players really need to have one foot out the door looking for something else sustainable to do for the day when PVE is a trifling and the day everyone posting on the forum for new story content is doing so in utter vain. At the moment they're doing it in only semi-utter vain.

Horribly disappointing.

Hopefully the PVP audience that the game will eventualy exclusively cater to will be enough to keep the game going because without new PVE story content going forward I know this is one long-term non-pvp paying subscriber who will be long gone.

Once the game is absolutely brimming with a cabal of toxic PVP players and no new PVE content, there will be no rhyme or reason for any other type of player to hang around.
Utter vain indeed. +1 for this post.

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IoNonSoEVero
08.27.2018 , 01:06 AM | #40
Quote: Originally Posted by xordevoreaux View Post
Truly unfortunate that this is their opinion. It means long-term pve players really need to have one foot out the door looking for something else sustainable to do for the day when PVE is a trifling and the day everyone posting on the forum for new story content is doing so in utter vain. At the moment they're doing it in only semi-utter vain.

Horribly disappointing.

Hopefully the PVP audience that the game will eventualy exclusively cater to will be enough to keep the game going because without new PVE story content going forward I know this is one long-term non-pvp paying subscriber who will be long gone.

Once the game is absolutely brimming with a cabal of toxic PVP players and no new PVE content, there will be no rhyme or reason for any other type of player to hang around.
Well said. Their statements and the focus them seem to be taking are extremely disappointing.