Time to merge the US servers... again. Primetime window getting smaller and smaller.

You assume behaviors in a game you never played. We fought an open map battle 3 times a day for the mine control. Me and my guild didn't bother anyone. We actually had a pretty good thing going. We never attacked the other aliens and because of that they never attacked us during leveling times or quest times. We never griefed respawns and we didn't kill lowbies. That was actually ban worthy, so we didn't do it, and if someone tried they'd get punished. But that game had i/g GMs and I was one for about 2 years.

I don't know the game your're talking about? I dont' know what AA is, so I can't comment, I know nothing about that one.

I have no interest in calling you a liar. I think you realize not everyone is like you, and that quite a lot of pvp players transferred to Harbinger or TRE because the game engine can't handle large scale OWPvP so pvp players just flee to wherever the warzone and ranked pops are fastest. However, your post comes off as you choosing to feign ignorance to this so you can score some cheap shots against pvpers.

AA is Arche Age.
And it is different from RF because it was still majorly PVE, but different from SWTOR because it actually gave incentives, objectives and consequences for world PVP. You could kill lowbies all you wanted for no reason- but this would increase your infamy and if another PVPer would kill you with high infamy you would be delivered to ingame court room (also ran by players) from which you could be pardoned or sent to ingame jail. It was a great system and swtor should have totally copied it.

SWTOR world pvp failed because:
1. They lied/failed to deliver openworld War which was hyped prior to launch.
and 2. World PVP has no incentives, there is nothing to direct player to pvp over quests or resources, and it just rather was left in as "well you can just attack other people anywhere for no reason or consequence I guess" mentality. Which was lazyness on BWs part not to come up with literally anything to direct players to after War failed so spectacularly.

SO. Instanced warzones were the way to go. And since warzones are no different in pve or pvp servers, lots pf people transferred because warzones were just as popular on pve servers, and pve servers are universally more popular than pvp servers in majority of games that has the option.

Think what you want, nothing I can say to you will make you think differently. But I will say this, I have no interest in scoring 'cheap shots' against anyone. I had bad experiences here and it drove me from playing pvp. PVP servers were the first to die, that's the initial point I made and they were. Whether they died for the reasons that ruined pvp for me, I can't say, but I'm not the only person here that has been attacked or belittled or watched others get attacked or belittled by pvpers.

Like I said, I have minimal experience with Harbinger, it was nasty and I didn't like it (and when I say nasty for Harbinger, I mean the chats--it was a nasty atmosphere), so I didn't linger. Never played on the TRE. You believe that pvpers flee to where ever it's busiest and I believe that in part to be true, because it seems to be a pvpers nature to want constant pops. But I have no doubt, that that is not the only reason why the PVP servers died. There are many reasons, one of which could be your rationale, another mine. Others may have other reasons, but that doesn't change the fact that the PVP servers died first.

I don't 'feign' and if I did, I sure as heck wouldn't be 'feigning ignorance'.

If you tryly were ignorant when it comes to the other reasons why the pvp servers started slowing down, or how big of a deal those other reasons were for many pvp players, then I'm glad I had this chance to shine a light on the complexity of the situation. ^^ Now you can make the coincious decision to continue saying pvp servers die because pvp players are jerks, or choose to stop doing it since there are many reasons and your experience is not shared by everyone else.

Oh, make no mistake, if the topic of conversation rears up again, as to why they died, I will most certainly convey my reasons for why I think they died. I am entitled to my opinion and I'm entitled to share it, just as you are entitled to disagree.

I will not stay quiet about the experience I had during my time in pvp here. I encountered many mean and nasty players in that segment of the game and I have no doubt in my mind that they drove people from pvp in droves. Am I saying all pvpers are mean? Of course not, but the ones I encountered, were about as unpleasant as you could get and even had me seriously consider quitting the game, which I clearly decided against, I just quit the part that made me miserable.

Ok, I haven't heard of that one, I thought for a while maybe you meant Age of Anarchy, and I don't know that one either, besides having heard of it. The game you describe sounds interesting actually, but I'm not sure it would be for me, I really don't have that much interest in killing other people anymore. I suppose my opinion would depend on how I felt when I played it.

I'm not going to disagree with you about open world here, because clearly this game isn't designed to accommodate it. In that sense I don't think it's as advanced in that way as RF was, because we'd easily have 300-400 players running around in the busiest chip war.

Oh, make no mistake, if the topic of conversation rears up again, as to why they died, I will most certainly convey my reasons for why I think they died. I am entitled to my opinion and I'm entitled to share it, just as you are entitled to disagree.

the server type didn't really matter to me when I moved from ToFN to TRE for pops.

Yeah, I hear you. I feel the same about the forums, actually. Well, apart from the fact that I don't assume anyone else shares my opinion, not unless they have told me they feel that way.

I very much enjoyed AA myself, playing pirates or caravan guards was a whole lot of fun
And losing cargo to friendlies because my friend was abysmally bad at parking ships /facepalm


I wouldn't be so hasty to say player behavior was the thing that made the majority to leave, since the entire world pvp format was faulty and that's all on BW. I conciser myself a pvper, yet I had no opinion on weather or not I played on a pvp server or not since the attraction I first subscribed for was not there anymore. WZ was the next best thing and they were the same everywhere, so the server type didn't really matter to me when I moved from ToFN to TRE for pops. Before that I was pretty much on PVP servers only because I'm a lazy reroller and transfers weren't a thing for a while.