Time to merge the US servers... again. Primetime window getting smaller and smaller.

No reason it wouldn't be. Just adding it because it bolsters the fact that the PvP servers died first. Most people in the game aren't playing (or interested in playing) open world PvP either on its own server or its own instance so those areas did die first or aren't as crowded.

You can look at any mmo ever and instanced and/or formed PVP is always wildly more popular than any form of spontaneous world pvp. It's a silly argument.
We were originally promised formed world pvp in large scale by BW. People subscribed to that idea. It failed and got removed because crap engine. People moved to instanced PVP. How is this still not common knowledge :P

Actually, I'm not arguing anything. I'm stating a fact about this game. The pvp servers were the first to die off. Period. Pvp might be more exciting in other games, but not this one and it's the plain truth, as unpalatable as it might be for some people, it's true of this game, that the pvp servers died first. That's history. People can try to re-write it all they want, but that won't make it true.

People didn't enjoy playing with psychopaths that would kill lowbies and camp quest areas, so those servers emptied right quick.

Actually, I'm not arguing anything. I'm stating a fact about this game. The pvp servers were the first to die off. Period. Pvp might be more exciting in other games, but not this one and it's the plain truth, as unpalatable as it might be for some people, it's true of this game, that the pvp servers died first. That's history. People can try to re-write it all they want, but that won't make it true.

Even before they pulled the PvP server rule set and replaced it with PvP instances in game.... the remaining PvP servers were ghost towns. There is a reason they did away with the PvP servers completely... there were none left alive.. even though PvE and RP servers in most cases were still active, some very active.

I agree. However, claiming it was because



Is just false. There are several reasons to why pvp servers started dying before pve and rp ones, claiming it's because pvp community was just too toxic serves no one.

^^ This is a correct assessment.

The reasons "why" can be debated in endless circles and people can play the perpetual blame-the-studio game as well.. but the core assessment that for SWTOR...PvP servers die off at a faster rate then PvE servers is simply not debatable for this MMO. Cause can be debated.. but the effect is not debatable.

Even before they pulled the PvP server rule set and replaced it with PvP instances in game.... the remaining PvP servers were ghost towns. There is a reason they did away with the PvP servers completely... there were none left alive.. even though PvE and RP servers in most cases were still active, some very active.

IMHO one can't act like griefing on the PvP servers/instances isn't a thing that has deterred people from playing there. Only reason? Of course not. Primary reason? No way to know. Is it there and does it turn some people off? I think there's no way to deny that.

Even most PvPers frown on that behavior, so saying it exists isn't slamming every PvPer. It's slamming those who felt the need to do things like camping at nodes, ganging up on people way below their level, waiting until they respawn and hitting them again, etc

I personally will not set foot in a PvP instance even if it appears empty because of the possibility of griefing/being randomly attacked and how upsetting that is to me personally. While I know that most people don't have my level of anxiety, IMHO it's not a stretch to think that others don't want to be attacked while questing and thus stay out of PvP zones.

Most pvpers do frown on griefing. But getting randomly attacked isn’t griefing. There is a massive difference between them.

I preferred the old pvp system on pve servers where you could turn on your pvp flag. It’s wasnt perfect or anything. It could have been made so you couldn’t flag people who didn’t want to be flagged. I really wish they had fixed that system.