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Why Macros belong in TOR.

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Why Macros belong in TOR.

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Kahldor
12.28.2011 , 11:52 AM | #291
Quote: Originally Posted by _compton_ View Post
This type of trolling, non-constructive response hardly deserves a reply, but..

It's clear you read absolutely nothing of what I posted, I devoted a paragraph to that particular myth, and why it's so blatantly wrong.

Not every macro is a "cast-sequence" which is not what I'm in support of, and not what this thread is about.
I came from WoW. Played from launch through Cata. Played Rift. Used Macros through both games because everyone else used them.

Macros dumbed downed the game. I am happy that SWTOR has not implemented them. Why? Because now I have to think more, be more responsive and consider which buttons I want on priority keys. It makes the game feel less robotic.

In short, I don't want macros.

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NightHawke
12.28.2011 , 11:52 AM | #292
Quote: Originally Posted by klathnagma View Post
You can't make a macro that bypasses the GDC. If you can the macro system is bugged.

You cannot use 2 attacks and a heal in a macro, because they will share GDC.

In-game macros can push more than one key, they react when you push a key and do only one key action.

The kind of macros you are talking about - hit one key and push a sequence - already exists and are backed up by Bioware.

http://www.razerzone.com/swtor/keyboard

I repeat myself, you show a huge lack of understanding about what a macro is or not, and it's clear you never used macros. You should learn more about it before to judge the issue.
And people think I dont understand macros?


Let me break it down more...

Macro button F

Execute quickslot 10;

Execute ability jack you up;

Pause 1.1;

Execute ability jack up up more;

Execute emote /laugh;

Pause 1.1;

Execute ability heal me I am hurt;

End





Automated. Any questions?
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_compton_
12.28.2011 , 11:53 AM | #293
Quote: Originally Posted by Jurisnoctis View Post
I'm going to ignore all the re-re's in here and go with the OP.

Ofcourse there will be macros in this game. If there aren't, I know I'm quick enough to get everything done, albeit a PAIN IN THE *** AND I ALREADY PLAY STARCRAFT I DON'T WANT ANOTHER 100+ APM GAME TYVM.

Don't worry about the trolls, OP. I'm sure BioWare has technical difficulties at the moment.

As in, Macros work, but either not as intended, or TOO STRONGLY like some imply here. It would in fact be bad if they can't limit their console commands and we can put in a cast sequence, priority list, or a short algorithm and LITERALLY press 1 button.

Or it may not have macros enabled at all.

But in the world of OOP (Object Oriented Programming), and with BioWare, not a bad company, I'm sure macros exist, but are just not available to the masses yet.

To all who say macros are skill-less, here's what some of my macros look like.

/target focus
/cast Hand of Sacrifice

/cast Divine Shield
/cancelaura Divine Shield (Tell me where I can find that on my abilities bar thank you very much. I have to double click/press it to work too, so it's still two button presses)

/cast Pain Suppression
/cast Power Word:Shield
(Pain Suppression is off GCD, making things SLIGHTLY faster)

/castsequence [reset=18] Charge, Intercept;
^ Unsure if that's the actual one, but if you don't know what that means, don't get excited by cast sequence or you're an e-diot. This basically allows me to map both my charges to 1 button.


Here's how some of my OH MY GOD gamebreaking macros would look like in SW:TOR. Tell me if it looks OP to you. Also tell me you know exactly what it does, and only if you do, will anyone care what you have to say about it.

/use [modifier=shift] relic1; [modifier=none] relic2;
Or however the format will be.

/use [modifier=none] Frenzy; [modifier=shift] Predation;

/target focus
/use Static Barrier
/targetlasttarget


I play Marauder, so my macros are not the most useful, but I'm sure on my higher level Operative and Sorcerer, they will become ESSENTIAL.

I don't know how bad you guys who don't want macros are doing, but I have easily 24 abilities mapped. I wish I can bind my companions abilities to my bars. OR AT LEAST MAKE A MACRO SO I CAN USE THEM DIRECTLY FROM MY BARS RATHER THAN HAVE TO PRESS CTRL+3/4 AND NOT HAVE ACCESS TO 5+, AND HAVE TO SACRIFICE 12 OF MY BUTTONS SO I CAN USE MY COMPANION'S DAMN HEAL ONCE IN A WHILE EFFECTIVELY.

[/rant]

So yeah, Macros will come OP. And if they don't, I guess us that are good anyway will dominate with our APM, but it'll be annoying.
Couldn't agree more, and thanks for the support. All in all I think this thread has been constructive, and also been a good source of entertainment during a dull work day. Great success, all in all.

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Raggok
12.28.2011 , 11:54 AM | #294
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@Ragg - thanks for making an effort to understand what I'm actually advocating here. I'd fully support a limited implementation, I also would not like to see things devolve into a situation similar to Rift, as I feel that would negatively impact the game as a whole.
Yes, Rift is exactly the type of thing I would like to see avoided where you could have 5 or 6 abilities tied to a single keypress with built in conditionals for range, cooldown up, vulnerabilities etc.
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Zarthorn
12.28.2011 , 11:54 AM | #295
Quote: Originally Posted by ajjw View Post
Read my above post. Macros cannot do the things you are talking about. Please try to understand this.
Yes they can and have (DCUO has this problem still where certain macro combination cause animation glitches and bypass Global cooldown), SWTORs combat system currently has a few animation issues so no doubt macroing would create the same problem.

Honestly if you are going to make a comment about "how I'm wrong" do yourself a favor and check some case studies first.

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ajjw
12.28.2011 , 11:54 AM | #296
Quote: Originally Posted by Zarthorn View Post
If macros are supported and even enabled ingame, we would have seen bots from day 1 and they would be a ton harder to catch since they can use the ingame macro interface to bypass the client file check and thus it falls on the reliance of player reporting to ban bots.
No, you're wrong.

Macros cannot do anything of the sort that you think they can. You cannot move your character with macros. You cannot queue up multiple actions in a macro due to GCD.

The client does not check the macros - The server does. It would be borderline criminal to have the macro authentication client side and any dev that implemented a macro system that way deserves to have their game exploited.

Please, go and read up on how macros actually work if you're not gonna listen to what I say.
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eightohfive
12.28.2011 , 11:54 AM | #297
Macros = lame. All they do is just automate everything for you so that you can use your other hand to sit on your thumb. I used in macros in RIFT, I made it so that around 15 abilities could be used with just 2 macros, which I could then spam for an entire instance. Unless I had to worry about AoE attacks I could watch tv while doing most fights. Probably part of the reason I came to dislike that game so much.
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Audenlol
12.28.2011 , 11:55 AM | #298
Macro's would be a welcomed change by the majority of the swtor community.


As a maurader, to perform in an optimal lvl, I spend more time staring at my buttons waiting for them to light up than I do enjoying the scenery.

Already at a disadvantage in PVP due to the class, last thing i need to do is do the care-bear stare at my bars waiting for an ability to come off the GCD (which is an eternity in pvp).


Tho, If 1 bright shiny thing came from this thread was the amount of people I was able to put on ignore due to the fact they are straight up mis-informed/stupid.


It is amazing for the amount of time MMO's have been around, people still have no idea what a macro is...

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Sylvan
12.28.2011 , 11:55 AM | #299
Macro's take skill and timing out of PvP.

So, no from me.
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Donthinkfeel
12.28.2011 , 11:56 AM | #300
+1 need macro so hard