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So it's either Lana or Arcann?

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So it's either Lana or Arcann?

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JennyFlynn
04.01.2018 , 03:54 PM | #181
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When it comes to companions whose original writers left, the new writers need to seriously sit down, pull up youtube and watch how the companions were in vanilla and even some of Makeb and Shadow of Revan. I've seen fanfiction writers who capture the companions 10000000000 times better than writers who are paid to write dialogue and personality.
This exactly. I've had this debate with others here on the forum in on our own little FB group and really, whoever's been writing the more recent stuff seems pretty darn clueless on the personalities and background of these characters. It's annoying and shameful, and like I'm getting strangers shoved in my face. I get people changing over time but not like that, nope. Hell even I watch YouTube vids at times of companion romances and class stories to make sure I'm not voicing them in an immersion breaking way when I write. Takes little effort to do and if you actually care about your job and work at all, you should make that effort.
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Eanelinea
04.01.2018 , 04:02 PM | #182
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This exactly. I've had this debate with others here on the forum in on our own little FB group and really, whoever's been writing the more recent stuff seems pretty darn clueless on the personalities and background of these characters. It's annoying and shameful, and like I'm getting strangers shoved in my face. I get people changing over time but not like that, nope. Hell even I watch YouTube vids at times of companion romances and class stories to make sure I'm not voicing them in an immersion breaking way when I write. Takes little effort to do and if you actually care about your job and work at all, you should make that effort.
The ONLY character in the game or in fanfiction who should be totally and completely unique from class to class or fiction story to fiction story, is the player's own character. Maybe there's a reason why you're a sith warrior who is light 5 and loves bunnies and such. Or why you're trooper is a dark 5 killing machine who even hunts down children.

Are you a character who sleeps with anything with a pulse, or are you chaste to the point the companions are annoyed. Etc, etc.

The companions on the other hand have set personalities. Now, of course you can tweek them, make Quinn aggressive in the bedroom with his wife in private, make Corso sometimes drop his 'aw shucks' act when his wife or bro (if male player) get into danger, or maybe explain in detail why you would think Doc would stop chasing skirts to marry your JK.

That's all fine. But lately, some of the companions are turning into people I don't recognize. It's not the voice actors, they still capture their character pretty well even if they get meh scripts to read, but seriously. Are we, the players, and fanfiction writers, the ONLY ones who give a **** to research if we don't want to play through the story a second, third, tenth time?
Bioware, please remember our companion spouses when doing new expansions. I want scenes, letters, or something from them, saying they're worried!

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grania
04.01.2018 , 04:07 PM | #183
It's hard for me to judge. I don't know how I would write a conversation between two different characters and have it sound like anything but me talking to myself. Never mind a character I don't particularly like or feel much for, yeesh. Glad it's not *my* job.

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Damask_Rose
04.01.2018 , 04:09 PM | #184
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*sigh* There's always fanfiction I guess. I know I *********** love Phyreblade, I think is his/her name, they write a DAMN good Quinn who has a damn backbone and they just write fanfiction.
I love her writing too! She's one of my guild leaders and I'm too shy to say anything

Quote: Originally Posted by JennyFlynn View Post
This exactly. I've had this debate with others here on the forum in on our own little FB group and really, whoever's been writing the more recent stuff seems pretty darn clueless on the personalities and background of these characters.
We have a little Facebook group?
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JennyFlynn
04.01.2018 , 04:09 PM | #185
Quote: Originally Posted by Eanelinea View Post
The ONLY character in the game or in fanfiction who should be totally and completely unique from class to class or fiction story to fiction story, is the player's own character. Maybe there's a reason why you're a sith warrior who is light 5 and loves bunnies and such. Or why you're trooper is a dark 5 killing machine who even hunts down children.

Are you a character who sleeps with anything with a pulse, or are you chaste to the point the companions are annoyed. Etc, etc.

The companions on the other hand have set personalities. Now, of course you can tweek them, make Quinn aggressive in the bedroom with his wife in private, make Corso sometimes drop his 'aw shucks' act when his wife or bro (if male player) get into danger, or maybe explain in detail why you would think Doc would stop chasing skirts to marry your JK.

That's all fine. But lately, some of the companions are turning into people I don't recognize. It's not the voice actors, they still capture their character pretty well even if they get meh scripts to read, but seriously. Are we, the players, and fanfiction writers, the ONLY ones who give a **** to research if we don't want to play through the story a second, third, tenth time?
Current writers, or whoever wrote the recent stuff, are just clueless. I mean, Aric's return was him and I loved that. Between the scene and Timothy's VA work, my knees were buckling and my heart fluttered, brilliant stuff. But Corso's return for example? Nay, who the hell wrote that? Who hit that person with the silly stick and knocked their brain out? Who approved that work without demanding better for a character that's been in-game since vanilla? C'mon now
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JennyFlynn
04.01.2018 , 04:11 PM | #186
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We have a little Facebook group?
Nah just a few people I know from here in a groupchat and we have our own little Fanfiction Support group because most of us write our own stories and it's nice to bounce ideas and frustrations at times.
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Eanelinea
04.01.2018 , 04:15 PM | #187
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I love her writing too! She's one of my guild leaders and I'm too shy to say anything
My favorite quote from her Sw/Quinn story, right before the hand comes after they're bombed to ****.

Quinn: Damnit, Luciel!

He goes on, but I was like 'hell yes! Quinn with a damn backbone!! About time!'

ETA: Also like after she uses some force heal on him and didn't do it before the incident and he gets pissed off at her. I can't say what HE says, NSFW, but damn, it made ME upset. In a good way though, cause again, BACKBONE!
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Dracofish
04.01.2018 , 05:26 PM | #188
I would caution against discussing any unreleased content. It will result in staff smack-downs.

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My SI wouldn't ever date Theron or Koth, they are both too goody two shoes for her. And she doesn't trust Arcann any further than she can throw him. So she stayed loyal to Andronikos. He supported her darker tendencies through vanilla and she liked the whole not wanting to be tied down, but can't resist you thing that they had going on.
Personally, I don't think Theron is a goody-two-shoes at all. He's a spy. He's responsible for the deaths of thousands (check out "The Lost Suns" and "Annihilation"). He's assassinated two Dark Councilors (one of them by a point-blank toxicity dart to the neck). He's not afraid to get his hands dirty. At all. But a lot of people tend to forget all that, because it's Imperials he's killed n' such, so whatevsies I guess. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I love putting him with a Sith. He seems to grow more as a person, forced to reconcile who he is and what he believes in. And to put him with a Dark Councilor...after knowing that he's already killed two of them? Yeah...yeah...totally yeah.

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I imagine Theron, even if you didn't fully romance-lock him before KOTFE, stayed mostly faithful/single but that is in large due to his character. He doesn't open up easily, he doesn't connect with people easily, he makes it pretty clear during SoR that such things are uncommon for him and it makes your situation rather unique. I headcanon Jonas tried to set him up on a date or two, to get him out of the office and take his mind off of you but it didn't amount to a thing.
I imagine that as a spy, Theron's ideas of physical intimacy and mental intimacy are completely separate concepts. He can do whatever and whoever he needs to in order to get the job done, and I'd gather he's done that a lot. He's also into destructive behavior...he's restless...doesn't sleep enough...doesn't eat enough...drinks entirely too much. So, I'd imagine that casual sex for him is most definitely a thing. But that's just the way I write him.

Actual relationships? Those he has trouble with...

Getting his freak on? Not so much.

But again, this is just my interpretation after reading the companion media as well as seeing what little they give us in the game.
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Cowoline
04.01.2018 , 05:38 PM | #189
Quote: Originally Posted by Eanelinea View Post
My favorite quote from her Sw/Quinn story, right before the hand comes after they're bombed to ****.

Quinn: Damnit, Luciel!

He goes on, but I was like 'hell yes! Quinn with a damn backbone!! About time!'

ETA: Also like after she uses some force heal on him and didn't do it before the incident and he gets pissed off at her. I can't say what HE says, NSFW, but damn, it made ME upset. In a good way though, cause again, BACKBONE!
I'm glad that you found some fiction you enjoy, but that sounds nothing like Quinn. He has a backbone, but I can't ever imagine him express it like that. Though I can absolutely see him objecting the wording used is so far removed from his dialogue in game. But that just shows how different we see him and why the writers have a hard time accommodating expectations.

I thought the romance on Iokath was brilliant (though I of course wanted more). It wasn't about the betrayal, but rather that he realized many years had passed and his wife might have moved on. The letter we got was also sweet and fitted his character well.

The one after umbrara was also appropriate. Of course he can't help thinking of his own betrayal, when faced with that. And that letter shows backbone Quinn of really well. He is so pissed and even calls the sw "my love".

My major critique of the recent content is that his wife should call him " Malavai" and not Quinn. And they overdid the "my lord" part, where he should have said "my love" at least once.

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rachetsw
04.01.2018 , 05:42 PM | #190
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I would caution against discussing any unreleased content. It will result in staff smack-downs.



Personally, I don't think Theron is a goody-two-shoes at all. He's a spy. He's responsible for the deaths of thousands (check out "The Lost Suns" and "Annihilation"). He's assassinated two Dark Councilors (one of them by a point-blank toxicity dart to the neck). He's not afraid to get his hands dirty. At all. But a lot of people tend to forget all that, because it's Imperials he's killed n' such, so whatevsies I guess. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I love putting him with a Sith. He seems to grow more as a person, forced to reconcile who he is and what he believes in. And to put him with a Dark Councilor...after knowing that he's already killed two of them? Yeah...yeah...totally yeah.



I imagine that as a spy, Theron's ideas of physical intimacy and mental intimacy are completely separate concepts. He can do whatever and whoever he needs to in order to get the job done, and I'd gather he's done that a lot. He's also into destructive behavior...he's restless...doesn't sleep enough...doesn't eat enough...drinks entirely too much. So, I'd imagine that casual sex for him is most definitely a thing. But that's just the way I write him.

Actual relationships? Those he has trouble with...

Getting his freak on? Not so much.

But again, this is just my interpretation after reading the companion media as well as seeing what little they give us in the game.
Fair enough, what we have in game then, he is too goody two shoes for my SI, he constantly sides with the Republic, wants to save everyone, except Saresh. My SI is a little bit insane, she is my only character that is irrationally dark. Most of my characters make choices that are for the better of the faction they belong to, or make sense for that character. My SI and my JC are exceptions. They are played to the extreme dark and extreme light respectively.
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