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Get rid of mats in ranked

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Get rid of mats in ranked

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themasterofevil
01.30.2018 , 01:43 PM | #1
This is causing ranked to no longer feel like ranked, but more like reg arena matches where 1 team is actually playing to win and the other is throwing. Queuing for solo isn't even fun anymore because basically every match is a 1v4 or 2v4 because the other 2-3 people on my team just throw for mats. I DO PVP TO HAVE FUN AND THIS ISN'T FUN.

I just want to play ranked games without having to essentially play 1v4 and lose all my games.
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Aeneas_Falco
01.30.2018 , 01:49 PM | #2
They should stay in Ranked in my opinion to encourage new people to give it a try, and hopefully stick around, *but* only be awarded for meeting certain damage, healing, or protection thresholds. The thresholds should be high enough that actual participation and trying to win is necessary.

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themasterofevil
01.30.2018 , 04:44 PM | #3
Quote: Originally Posted by Aeneas_Falco View Post
They should stay in Ranked in my opinion to encourage new people to give it a try, and hopefully stick around, *but* only be awarded for meeting certain damage, healing, or protection thresholds. The thresholds should be high enough that actual participation and trying to win is necessary.
That would be 1000000x better than what we have now. It would also help if you were rewarded, say, 4 mats for losing majority of your games and you get, say, 6-8 mats for winning majority of your games. That would also help incentivize people to actually win.
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memerobot
01.30.2018 , 04:50 PM | #4
Quote: Originally Posted by Aeneas_Falco View Post
They should stay in Ranked in my opinion to encourage new people to give it a try, and hopefully stick around, *but* only be awarded for meeting certain damage, healing, or protection thresholds. The thresholds should be high enough that actual participation and trying to win is necessary.
No, they should reward only the winning team so that the peeps that are mat farmers have to work to get their mats. Simple :|

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themasterofevil
01.30.2018 , 05:11 PM | #5
Quote: Originally Posted by memerobot View Post
No, they should reward only the winning team so that the peeps that are mat farmers have to work to get their mats. Simple :|
Or that.
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Banderal
01.30.2018 , 05:53 PM | #6
I tried solo ranked for the mats over the weekend. I was trying to win, but I wouldn't have done it if I didn't want to go for the mats. Just a few games. Won 3, lost 1. I think all 4 games went all 3 rounds. Was early morning, so it was mostly the same 8 people, just rearranged into different groupings. One player predicted gloom and doom in every match I got him in. I guess none of us were good enough to be there with him. But only one of the matches did the "other 3 of us" get told to quit queuing. Other than that there was surprisingly no hate.

Anyway, I like the mats drawing people in. Gives me a chance to give it a try without feeling like "omg, I better be awesome to even look at ranked!". Invasion of the scrubs! Deal with it. On the other hand, I still don't really like arenas, so I do wish there were another way to get those particular mats (well, I suppose there is if I were rich enough to buy them off GTN).
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themasterofevil
01.30.2018 , 06:42 PM | #7
Quote: Originally Posted by Banderal View Post
I tried solo ranked for the mats over the weekend. I was trying to win, but I wouldn't have done it if I didn't want to go for the mats. Just a few games. Won 3, lost 1. I think all 4 games went all 3 rounds. Was early morning, so it was mostly the same 8 people, just rearranged into different groupings. One player predicted gloom and doom in every match I got him in. I guess none of us were good enough to be there with him. But only one of the matches did the "other 3 of us" get told to quit queuing. Other than that there was surprisingly no hate.

Anyway, I like the mats drawing people in. Gives me a chance to give it a try without feeling like "omg, I better be awesome to even look at ranked!". Invasion of the scrubs! Deal with it. On the other hand, I still don't really like arenas, so I do wish there were another way to get those particular mats (well, I suppose there is if I were rich enough to buy them off GTN).
Im fine with mats being in ranked but ranked is where you go to prove yourself. I keep getting put with people who, frankly, have no clue how to even play the game at all and spam all their DCDs in 3 seconds. They don't know how to properly CC, DPS, or anything. People who farm Solos for mats are not "trying to win" they simply don't care. It's really sad when you queue for solos and want to win and your other 2-3 teammates don't even try. I did 2.1mil overall damage with 4.5k dps while the other 2 DPS did 600-800k damage overall at 1.5-2.2k dps. I don't like when people say they're trying to win when they put out numbers like that. Ranked, both team and solo, is a DPS race. However, all the DPS have to be good. The frustrating part is those people that put out low DPS and numbers just don't care. I do. I wanted to start doing solos again recently and I've played 6 solos today and lost 5 of them because I get the same, for lack of a better word: trash, teammates. I looked up my rank and its already in bronze territory thanks to mat farming.

Queuing for ranked is no longer to prove you're good at your class/the game because most of the time its a 1v4 situation. Im the only person outputting enough damage to do something but without other DPS helping me, I can't kill anything. I just want mat farmers to realize this. Mat farmers piss off a lot of good players doing this stuff.

Now, as a side note, I almost won a game with 2 mat farmers after I told them to start doing more dps. We lost the first round, then won the second, then lost the third. Wanna know why we won the second? Because instead of putting out 2k dps, they both put out 3.5k dps on top of my 4.5k dps. Last round I did 5.3k dps and they did a tiny amount of 2.1k dps. If people actually TRIED to do something, you can win. But it's obvious that mat farmers don't want to try.

If someone tells you to stop queuing, they're mad because you're just not doing anything. You cannot win solos or team ranked doing sub 3-4k dps. So if you were doing below 3k dps, then I don't blame him for telling you to stop queuing.
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Banderal
01.30.2018 , 07:21 PM | #8
Quote: Originally Posted by themasterofevil View Post
If someone tells you to stop queuing, they're mad because you're just not doing anything. You cannot win solos or team ranked doing sub 3-4k dps. So if you were doing below 3k dps, then I don't blame him for telling you to stop queuing.
I don't appreciate people not trying to win in any mode of the game. Whether it be "mat farmers" who afk (or whatever they do), or I've also seen ranked teams come into regs to "practice" and also not care about winning. Both are just as bad in my opinion.

I don't remember exact numbers, but from what I saw all 8 of us were in the same order-of-magnitude of damage. I know in some rounds I had done more than the guy that told us to quit, and less in others. Just depending on who got focused first. So, in just my limited experience of those games, but it's all the experience I have, it's hardly that we didn't belong there and that guy was so much better he has some mythical "right" to tell us to leave. [Edit: also, I have no idea if he was really telling all 3 of us to quit, or just one of us - be it me or someone else - it was just a generic "quit queuing" in ops chat.]

Let alone if any such right even exists. I happen to personally disagree that "we" should all be good to queue ranked. Bio made the mechanism to supposedly put the bads down together and the goods up at the top. The goods are supposed to end up facing the goods, and the bads the bads. That was the way I understood the plan. But I didn't queue before, because good or not I never really cared about anything it offered, never much liked arenas, and didn't care to deal with the (reportedly) increased toxicity.

Perhaps, if I don't care about rank at all, I can see the validity in an argument that I should not be there. But just because someone is "not good", why should that mean they cannot join in and measure themselves against others? The button is not labelled "queue if you are the top 5% solo ranked ". It's just called "queue solo ranked".
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TrixxieTriss
01.30.2018 , 08:33 PM | #9
Maybe if they put some small amount of those mats in regs, people wouldn’t farm them in Ranked. The whole idea of putting them in Ranked was bad to start with.

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Aeneas_Falco
01.30.2018 , 09:24 PM | #10
Quote: Originally Posted by TrixxieTriss View Post
Maybe if they put some small amount of those mats in regs, people wouldn’t farm them in Ranked. The whole idea of putting them in Ranked was bad to start with.
There should probably be one in the weekly, at least.

Bioware needs to increase the availability of the new mats for augments, so why not put it in the Reg weekly. I'd also throw it in the GSF and Operations weeklies.