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Thoughts/Theories for the upcoming Star Wars: The Last Jedi

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Thoughts/Theories for the upcoming Star Wars: The Last Jedi

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Leklor
12.04.2017 , 02:07 PM | #11
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I may make some enemies with my view but here goes.

Its going to blow chunks just like 7 did! Its going to be just like 7 and look like mediocre fan fiction, ill wait and rent it for 2 bucks on google.
Or you know, maybe not?
Despite being heavily controlled products, TFA and TLJ had very different origins.
TFA was made by an OT fanboy who despises the Prequels and set out to create a two hours long hommage to it, and the intention on Disney/Lucasfilm's part was to say "Look, we can still make Star Wars movies that feel like the old days"

TLJ is made by a Star Wars fan too, but not one who denies the relevance of half of the saga. The entire communication around the film has been about how different it would be from TFA and every thing that came before it despite feeling familiar enough that you'd know it's Star Wars.

Both movies are also written by very different people, with different intentions and backgrounds.

Basically, claiming TLJ is going to be bad just because you thought TFA was (I didn't, thought it was okay and mostly enjoyable but not very original or ground-breaking.), is just silly and short-sighted.
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12.04.2017 , 11:11 PM | #12
The Force Ghost rumor seems to be gaining more traction. It does make sense if you think about it, at this point in this story there are at least 4 extremely powerful characters(Anakin, Yoda, Kenobi, Qui-Gon) that can be summoned in the story via force ghost.

And in Empire Strikes Back, Kenobi returning as a ghost was a vital part of the story. First appearing to Like in the snow, and then appearing on Dagobah to try to help Yoda convince Luke to complete his training. And then obviously in the ROTJ where Obi wan appears as a ghost and explains Vader s story. And at the end when the three of them appear.

There was also rumor that Frank Oz was on set and a Yoda prop was spotted. I could totally see Rey going into the Tree of Whills, a place strong in the force, and seeing any of the ghost characters or all of them. I think it would be amazing if we had a Luke talking to Yoda or Kenobi scene though. As if he wasn't alone on the island at all, he had been learning and discovering with the old Jedi masters.

I believe were coming up on the TLJ press screenings for reviews. So i believe we will see more actual leaks in the coming days so keep an eye out if you like or dont like spoilers.

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AlienEyeTX
12.07.2017 , 02:14 PM | #13
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In my own opinion, I think Luke might stay the same.. but in the teaser/trailers it shows that Luke looks intimidated by Rey's power and sees the resemblance in her and Kylo (Ben).. possibly thinking he'll fail as a master.
When Luke mentions seeing that kind of raw strength before and not being scared... I think he could possibly be referring to Palpatine in the past and Snoke now. Snoke is so powerful that Luke knows he needs to be afraid of him and that's why he had to go into hiding and learn new powers.
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CaptainPann
12.11.2017 , 05:51 PM | #14
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So far as we know, they technically aren't Sith. Just Dark Side users a la the Krath (if you've read any of the Exar Kun era Legends stuff you'll know about them).
While they could be Sith in some way, we have no evidence other than "they use the Dark Side and Kylo has a red lightsaber and loves Darth Vader!" to suggest so.

My theory:
Luke dies. Definitely not a popular one, especially not for me, but we do see Rey getting tortured by Snoke, and I'd have to guess we'd end up seeing a scene where Luke sacrifices himself to fight off Snoke and Kylo while Rey escapes.
Well the Sith are users of the Dark side but are also a diplomatic order... hence the creation of star killer base. If they were just Dark side users then I doubt they would have a diplomatic side. I think SWTOR shows more diplomacy than the actual films (excluding the prequels, even though they were God awful.. they did show the diplomatic side of both the Sith and the Jedi). Just kind of my perspective on things.
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CaptainPann
12.16.2017 , 06:57 PM | #15
I would also like to say, I saw The Last Jedi when it came out on the 15th (AND I promise I won't spoil anything) and in my personal opinion it was beyond amazing. It was a little long but it's something you barely would notice. I hope you all watch it and enjoy it as much as I have and maybe even more so. Thank you so much for all the ideas on this forum!
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Merwanor
12.18.2017 , 09:25 PM | #16
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I would also like to say, I saw The Last Jedi when it came out on the 15th (AND I promise I won't spoil anything) and in my personal opinion it was beyond amazing. It was a little long but it's something you barely would notice. I hope you all watch it and enjoy it as much as I have and maybe even more so. Thank you so much for all the ideas on this forum!
I hated it, worst Star Wars movie I have seen. It pissed all over Luke as a character and the amount of glaring plot holes is staggering. All the cool theories people had amounted to nothing but bull crap and the mysteries that crept up having us all excited for over 2 years amounted to nothing. I absolutely despise this movie as it has soured Star Wars as a whole for me. Something I have loved for over 20 years....
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Swingkittie
12.18.2017 , 11:52 PM | #17
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I hated it, worst Star Wars movie I have seen. It pissed all over Luke as a character and the amount of glaring plot holes is staggering. All the cool theories people had amounted to nothing but bull crap and the mysteries that crept up having us all excited for over 2 years amounted to nothing. I absolutely despise this movie as it has soured Star Wars as a whole for me. Something I have loved for over 20 years....
Completely agree with your assessment. I have watched interviews with Rian Johnson and Mark Hamill. Mark didn't like the direction they were taking with Luke and publicly voiced his opinions, probably a little too much because Darth Mickey had him silenced.

After watching the look on Mark Hamill's face after the World Premiere, I don't think he was expecting that ending. I think they did some post-production editing, which is probably why we only saw him from the back.
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Leklor
12.19.2017 , 01:19 PM | #18
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Mark didn't like the direction they were taking with Luke and publicly voiced his opinions
That's such a big pile of ********.
Read the complete interviews.
What Hammill said was that he initially disliked the direction the movie went for, and he spoke to Rian Johnson about it. And through their many discussions, Johnson explained his intent, admitted when he was wrong and overall worked WITH Hammill.
The guy even praised him on Twitter saying he'd be glad to work with him again.

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After watching the look on Mark Hamill's face after the World Premiere, I don't think he was expecting that ending. I think they did some post-production editing, which is probably why we only saw him from the back.
I can't even... Are you for freaking real?
Are your desire to come up with a conspiracy so massive that you'll invent a meaning to an actor's facial expression?

Oh and if he's so against TLJ why has he expressed enthusiam about returning for Episode IX?
Blackmail by Disney too?
Ridiculous...
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Leklor
12.19.2017 , 01:29 PM | #19
Quote: Originally Posted by Leklor View Post
That's such a big pile of ********.
Read the complete interviews.
What Hamill said was that he initially disliked the direction the movie went for, and he spoke to Rian Johnson about it. And through their many discussions, Johnson explained his intent, admitted when he was wrong and overall worked WITH Hamill.
The guy even praised him on Twitter saying he'd be glad to work with him again.



I can't even... Are you for freaking real?
Are your desire to come up with a conspiracy so massive that you'll invent a meaning to an actor's facial expression?

Oh and if he's so against TLJ why has he expressed enthusiam about returning for Episode IX?
Blackmail by Disney too?
Ridiculous...
Edit:
In fact, I invite you to read the following:
Quote:
I read that you and Mark Hamill had different interpretations of Luke. Who was Luke to you, as a character for The Last Jedi specifically, and where was Mark coming from?

Johnson: I had to go from The Force Awakens, where the one big thing we know about Luke is that his friends are fighting the good fight and he’s isolated himself on an island. He’s taken himself out of the fight. So I had to figure out why, and it had to be consistent with Luke as I knew him. He was a hero. That meant he has to believe he’s doing the right thing by removing the Jedi from the equation.

And Mark—this character’s been part of his life for the past 40 years. He’s had a lot of time to think about what Luke would be if he came back. There’s no way that what I came up with was going to line up with what he had in his head. So we got into it, we talked about it, we argued, we went back and forth. I had to justify the choices I made to him. It’s not like there was ever a point where he said, “OK, that all makes sense to me.” But he got to a point where he said, “I can understand why you’re doing these things. I’m going to choose to trust you and go on this journey with you.” Which was incredibly generous of him creatively.
So much for Hamill completely disagreeing and being lied to about Luke's fate, huh?

Edit 2: https://twitter.com/HamillHimself/st...88271753330688
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Swingkittie
12.19.2017 , 07:42 PM | #20
Quote: Originally Posted by Leklor View Post
That's such a big pile of ********.
Read the complete interviews.
What Hammill said was that he initially disliked the direction the movie went for, and he spoke to Rian Johnson about it. And through their many discussions, Johnson explained his intent, admitted when he was wrong and overall worked WITH Hammill.
The guy even praised him on Twitter saying he'd be glad to work with him again.



I can't even... Are you for freaking real?
Are your desire to come up with a conspiracy so massive that you'll invent a meaning to an actor's facial expression?

Oh and if he's so against TLJ why has he expressed enthusiam about returning for Episode IX?
Blackmail by Disney too?
Ridiculous...
And are you f'ng real? How dare you attack me like some *****hole troll. Sorry I hated your beloved movie *****wipe. But I think you are a first class piece of garbage for attacking someone's opinions. Your interpretation of interviews and videos isn't the rule we should all abide by. Your blasted opinion on a piece of crap movie isn't the end all of discussions. I could really give a dam about what you think of me. I am not starting f'ng conspiracy theories. I replied to and on information I found. And yes I read the Rian Johnson article too. BFD. I don't give a rat's ***** what you think.
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