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DarthSpuds
10.05.2017 , 12:08 PM | #41
Quote: Originally Posted by supertimtaf View Post
The problem isn't doing the FP.
It's doing it again, and again, and again... Without any real incentive or reward. You don't actually receive new ability by leveling up your CXP, you just gain a crate that could very well have only crap in it. Congrats, you've completed the FP. You got a command crate by doing so. Now, complete the same FP again for 250 times with the same character. Now you're at lvl 300. Was it fun ? I don't find that fun personally. It's why peoples prefer the leveling of non 70 toon, because there is actual changes, new things that comes along the way.

The problem isn't receiving CXP, the problem is more about "doing the same content over and over" without new ability, only a small chance that you'll get the specific gear piece you were looking for. If I wanted to waste money on RnG, I would go to a Casino instead of SWTOR. This way I would have the randomness I'm looking for, for even less time spend.
^ This

The CXP rewards are way too small.
The RNG is way too RNG.
The majority of the content we are expected to do it all with is already way too old and stale.

The recent spate of Nerfs have had no purpose other than top make already stale content seem less boring, when in fact they make it more boring because we know that prior to the nerfs we could do it easier.

And to top it all off all that happens if you are one of the fortunate few to get a full set of new end-game gear is that you are approximately as powerful in relation to the content as you were BEFORE this fuster-cluck started.

Is it any wonder that the game is hemorrhaging players?

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10.05.2017 , 12:16 PM | #42
Quote: Originally Posted by DarthSpuds View Post
The CXP rewards are way too small.
The RNG is way too RNG.
The majority of the content we are expected to do it all with is already way too old and stale.

The recent spate of Nerfs have had no purpose other than top make already stale content seem less boring, when in fact they make it more boring because we know that prior to the nerfs we could do it easier.

And to top it all off all that happens if you are one of the fortunate few to get a full set of new end-game gear is that you are approximately as powerful in relation to the content as you were BEFORE this fuster-cluck started.
This is what I wanted to add, thanks for saying it for me.
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10.05.2017 , 12:55 PM | #43
Keith totaly said it, "Learn to play".
But he didn't say "kneel before the dragon of zakuul", so i'm not sure if i'll learn to play.

More seriously, the problem isn't getting any number of 300 command rank characters, it's how tedious it is.
Especialy if there had been no cxp bug.

The system isn't that bad, it covers a lot of activities, and you MAY get gear.
But there's no way i'll push to 300 on any toon. (I still don't know what i got from building my alliance to 20, so i'll pass on this)

We're just telling you it's too grindy/boring for what we get in return, Keith, not really a l2p issue

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jimmorrisson
10.05.2017 , 01:02 PM | #44
Quote: Originally Posted by GuardianElite View Post
I love that Keith answered the question about how how many CXP level 300 toons he had with (and I am paraphrasing b/c I haven't watched the stream again):

"...I have 9 going on 10 level 300 characters...so I don't want to hear any 'thing' about it being too hard..."
Whenever Keith posted in the past about his Command Rank 300 characters, it was always followed with using (100%) boosts.

While update 5.5 fulfilled major requests the community wanted (Server Merges, Legacy Currencies) - let the record show the major high point for expansion 5.0 was an unintentional bug which granted 1125 CXP for certain planetary dailies.

The second major high point(s) would be the Double CXP events(s) last Labor Day Weekend and July.

Hopefully with 5.5 we can put the past behind us and enjoy the new merged servers and what should have been the high points of 5.0: Iokath and Umbara along with the operation and two new strongholds.

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SolarSaenz
10.05.2017 , 01:20 PM | #45
Quote: Originally Posted by DarthSpuds View Post
^ This

The CXP rewards are way too small.
The RNG is way too RNG.
The majority of the content we are expected to do it all with is already way too old and stale.

The recent spate of Nerfs have had no purpose other than top make already stale content seem less boring, when in fact they make it more boring because we know that prior to the nerfs we could do it easier.

And to top it all off all that happens if you are one of the fortunate few to get a full set of new end-game gear is that you are approximately as powerful in relation to the content as you were BEFORE this fuster-cluck started.

Is it any wonder that the game is hemorrhaging players?

All The Best
DarthSpuds and I agree on something! I mean, he says with a lot more passion and conviction than I would, but still, he's right.

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Savej
10.05.2017 , 01:34 PM | #46
Quote: Originally Posted by DarthSpuds View Post
^ This

The CXP rewards are way too small.
The RNG is way too RNG.
The majority of the content we are expected to do it all with is already way too old and stale.

The recent spate of Nerfs have had no purpose other than top make already stale content seem less boring, when in fact they make it more boring because we know that prior to the nerfs we could do it easier.

And to top it all off all that happens if you are one of the fortunate few to get a full set of new end-game gear is that you are approximately as powerful in relation to the content as you were BEFORE this fuster-cluck started.

Is it any wonder that the game is hemorrhaging players?

All The Best
So you want to hit max cxp level with max gear on a character in 20 hours? Then what? Or you want a game with 300 levels where you're constantly getting new abilities and feeling more powerful in a game with 50 flashpoints in it so you don't have to repeat the same one more than a couple times? Think it through. People that expect to play a few hours every day with fresh content and noticeable power upgrades coming every day for several years straight and uninterrupted are not being rational.

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BorisKarloffe
10.05.2017 , 01:36 PM | #47
Does the OP seriously think that rehashing the merit of the GC/CXP/RNG debacle now will somehow make it not as bad just because someone who is paid to promote the game said something nice about it in a stream?

Have all the subs that fled at the advent of 5.0 come streaming back to the game, overjoyed that this wondrous thing called GC was still here?

If you wanna kiss up to the Devs, go right ahead, but try not to oversell the lipstick on a pig. We're still not buying it.
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DarthSpuds
10.05.2017 , 01:39 PM | #48
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So you want to hit max cxp level with max gear on a character in 20 hours?
I never said that, so no point in me responding to it any further.

Quote: Originally Posted by Savej View Post
Or you want a game with 300 levels where you're constantly getting new abilities and feeling more powerful in a game with 50 fps so you don't have to repeat the same one more than a couple times?
Except you do NOT get any new abilities while leveling CXP Levels, new abilities stop being awarded at max Normal Level, the Command Levels award only RNG Loot boxes.

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People that expect to play a few hours every day with fresh content and noticeable power upgrades coming every day for several years uninterrupted are not being rational.
I never said that either, so no point in me responding to it any further.

Quote: Originally Posted by Savej View Post
Think it through.
I did; but it seems you didn't, as you made rebuttals to points I never made.

Well done.

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RagnarAugustus
10.05.2017 , 01:56 PM | #49
Quote: Originally Posted by GuardianElite View Post
That's the word I was missing:

FUN

I like that about them. I hope we see more of that from Eric and see a lot more of Charles and Keith. Maybe we can have a NSFW stream where they can REALLY be themselves....LOL
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DuchessKristania
10.05.2017 , 01:56 PM | #50
Quote: Originally Posted by Eshvara View Post
Should still be there on their twitch.
thanks, I didn't know where they put it up.