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Costello
10.05.2017 , 10:21 AM | #31
Is 9 going on 10 characters at 300, cool? Is it Healthy? Is it fun?

Now maybe its great, get home from work and grind out the same content and exploit any bugs for 4 hours a night every night, as one character completes the dailies move onto the next and start on the dailies again. Is that considered fun? Kill 30 of this, smash 6 of those, all the npcs are in the exact same space etc etc till you hit 300 then start again?

Its great the producer plays the game, but is that what his vision for tor is and what he thinks the customers want. We don't need content, content is for people that have every one of their 52 characters at 300 rank, and then instead of content we just up the rank to 400 so they can have the joy and the wonder of 100 more ranks x 52. Thats fun right, thats good right.

Though this would explain 5.5. Rather than new content nerf classes so old content is harder so the grind is slower. That way more grind! More Fun for all!

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Tahana
10.05.2017 , 10:22 AM | #32
Quote: Originally Posted by GuardianElite View Post
"...I have 9 going on 10 level 300 characters...so I don't want to hear any 'thing' about it being too hard..."

He almost said it. LOL. I saw the pause when he looked at the camera, I am almost imagining someone off camera cringing as Keith almost said "...I don't want to hear any S*** about it being hard..."
I think the line you're looking for is.. He told people to L2P.. Didn't get to watch it live, but I did watch the saved version when I got home.. I almost had to replace my keyboard because of the pop that I spit out when I started laughing at that point.
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10.05.2017 , 10:23 AM | #33
Quote: Originally Posted by Costello View Post
Is 9 going on 10 characters at 300, cool? Is it Healthy? Is it fun?

Now maybe its great, get home from work and grind out the same content and exploit any bugs for 4 hours a night every night, as one character completes the dailies move onto the next and start on the dailies again. Is that considered fun? Kill 30 of this, smash 6 of those, all the npcs are in the exact same space etc etc till you hit 300 then start again?

Its great the producer plays the game, but is that what his vision for tor is and what he thinks the customers want. We don't need content, content is for people that have every one of their 52 characters at 300 rank, and then instead of content we just up the rank to 400 so they can have the joy and the wonder of 100 more ranks x 52. Thats fun right, thats good right.

Though this would explain 5.5. Rather than new content nerf classes so old content is harder so the grind is slower. That way more grind! More Fun for all!
1-hour tops...do Yavin, Oricon, CZ and Ziost and be done with it...it's not that much fun but those are the best bang for your time. With a group, finish more up...but never go more than an hour.
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10.05.2017 , 10:30 AM | #34
Quote: Originally Posted by Gelious View Post
Riiight. I suppose you actually seen this fabled new hardware? Maybe you were there, when they bought it? Do you have screenshots?

You are all so optimistic, yet all you have are dev's words. Not the most reliable source of information.
Well they did say new hardware and better load times etc, and that they can handle more in the live stream, so I'm going to give them the benefit of the doubt.
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Cuiwe
10.05.2017 , 10:33 AM | #35
Quote: Originally Posted by GuardianElite View Post
That's the word I was missing:

FUN

It was fun. The whole attitude seemed to be different for some reason, compared to streams we had in the past. Like some weight had been lifted off the team or they had reached a place where they were just kicking back and kind of enjoying the moment.

I like that about them. I hope we see more of that from Eric and see a lot more of Charles and Keith. Maybe we can have a NSFW stream where they can REALLY be themselves....LOL

And ERIC...yes, I am looking at you. Give Charles Admin access, yes that was one of my questions about his PMs.

There should be a rule: You show up on a stream, you are fair game to the rest of the community at large....LOL.

(I certainly hope that doesn't scare Charles off)
It's because Keith's a good manager. Quite unlike...three letters that mustn't be spoken. That guy was a fail and a half as a manager.

If I'm right, Keith solved my credit card problem back when he worked in Support(as a mini boss of sorts). If that really was him, he was ultra professional and really confidence inspiring.
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10.05.2017 , 10:40 AM | #36
Quote: Originally Posted by Cuiwe View Post
It's because Keith's a good manager. Quite unlike...three letters that mustn't be spoken. That guy was a fail and a half as a manager.

If I'm right, Keith solved my credit card problem back when he worked in Support(as a mini boss of sorts). If that really was him, he was ultra professional and really confidence inspiring.
I know another player who dealt with Keith prior to his new position - he had nothing but praise for him as well. I assume it was all THE Keith...
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10.05.2017 , 10:45 AM | #37
Quote: Originally Posted by Tsillah View Post
I never really appreciate the "I've done it so everyone can do it" type of sentiment.
Agree.

I have an M.A. Hons - surely that means everyone can get one, right?

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10.05.2017 , 10:55 AM | #38
Quote: Originally Posted by SolarSaenz View Post
Yesterday after work, I decided to play. I had a choice. I could play my lv 70 sage and continue the grind from like CR 80 as many CR levels possible with all the CXP boosts and do dalies. Or, I could level up (regular levels) my somewhat new Shadow. Because I wanted to have fun, I leveled up my Shadow. I did the Taral V and Maelstrom FPs (the Jedi Prisoner quest), and had fun. Dalies can be fun, but trying to work through all the dalies with the bug feels like "work". And I wanted to have fun, not work.
You can do those FPs and get very decent CXP on your 70, right? How is doing them on a lowbie "fun" and on a 70 "not fun"?

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supertimtaf
10.05.2017 , 11:44 AM | #39
Quote: Originally Posted by Savej View Post
You can do those FPs and get very decent CXP on your 70, right? How is doing them on a lowbie "fun" and on a 70 "not fun"?
The problem isn't doing the FP.
It's doing it again, and again, and again... Without any real incentive or reward. You don't actually receive new ability by leveling up your CXP, you just gain a crate that could very well have only crap in it. Congrats, you've completed the FP. You got a command crate by doing so. Now, complete the same FP again for 250 times with the same character. Now you're at lvl 300. Was it fun ? I don't find that fun personally. It's why peoples prefer the leveling of non 70 toon, because there is actual changes, new things that comes along the way.

The problem isn't receiving CXP, the problem is more about "doing the same content over and over" without new ability, only a small chance that you'll get the specific gear piece you were looking for. If I wanted to waste money on RnG, I would go to a Casino instead of SWTOR. This way I would have the randomness I'm looking for, for even less time spend.
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10.05.2017 , 11:54 AM | #40
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You can do those FPs and get very decent CXP on your 70, right? How is doing them on a lowbie "fun" and on a 70 "not fun"?
The idea is that on my new Shadow, I am leveling him up and going through all the vanilla content, getting all the lore entries in my log, the XP, and going through the story. And, running the Jedi Prisoner FP quest line was "just taking a break" from doing the class stories. Mainly, because that's how it was originally intended.

Quote: Originally Posted by supertimtaf View Post
The problem isn't doing the FP.
It's doing it again, and again, and again... Without any real incentive or reward. You don't actually receive new ability by leveling up your CXP, you just gain a crate that could very well have only crap in it. Congrats, you've completed the FP. You got a command crate by doing so. Now, complete the same FP again for 250 times with the same character. Now you're at lvl 300. Was it fun ? I don't find that fun personally. It's why peoples prefer the leveling of non 70 toon, because there is actual changes, new things that comes along the way.

The problem isn't receiving CXP, the problem is more about "doing the same content over and over" without new ability, only a small chance that you'll get the specific gear piece you were looking for. If I wanted to waste money on RnG, I would go to a Casino instead of SWTOR. This way I would have the randomness I'm looking for, for even less time spend.
^What s/he said.