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The Reason Overpricing on the GTN is a Problem

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The Reason Overpricing on the GTN is a Problem

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DarthEnrique
09.25.2017 , 11:00 AM | #1
This is something I've noticed doing grinding for the same outfit twice, example the Revan Reborn Armor Set, me when I grinded to get it for myself I paid at least 17 mil to get the entire set in parts but when I did it for the guy I am in love with the prices skyrocketed.

I started making toons so I have a level 10 on every server just to check prices on a particular Armor Set but the prices aren't any better for the one final part the guy needs on his current set, the Sith Recluse. Now I joke with him on how he has expensive taste but the truth is that's not his fault, it's the player base does that. But anywho, that's besides the point the problem lies in the over pricing. Yeah we can grind together and double the amount but the problem comes when we get the prices the item is gone or the prices gets even higher and to both of us, yes we've discussed this, this is beyond ridiculous. He works almost everyday, he is a cop, he gets on swtor to unwind from his job, not to get on this game to have to grind for what he wants. I understand this, especially since I've had it explained to me how taxing his job can be in the stress department. He doesn't want to come on this game to do a grindfest. He like myself, is a Star Wars fan and he like me, enjoys the storyline, for the most part. As I said this is based on talking with him.

I'm lucky to have grinding for 6/7 parts for the set but the final part he needs, the truth is it's not worth it. It's actually not helped things between me and him because of other problems between us but despite it all he's still my best friend and I enjoy helping him but the real life aspects aren't taken into consideration when it comes to MMOs. People play the supply and demand game, a real world concept that really should have no playing factor in a fictional world. Me and him don't get on here to grind everyday for credits, we get on to hang and have a good time, at least that's what we would prefer.

Honestly, and this just maybe me taking things too personally, but I feel like a failure as a friend who tries to do everything they can to help someone they genuinely care about because I feel like the longer we take the more expensive things get and I've seen this first hand with the Revan Reborn Armor Set, I got mine for 17 mil but the mask is currently up for 25 mil or more?! (The Revan Reborn Armor Set is an example of ridiculous pricing, he has it and I have it as well.) Bit ridiculous if you ask me to get an entire Armor Set for less then a part but whatever. Honestly I'd prefer to grind 17 mil for an Armor Set then 50-100 mil or whatever prices people think they are worth and don't really drop the price either or goes up over time (eg. Someone put the Revan Armor Set up for 1 billion credits, I looked just for the hey and was like ***?!)

Anywho I just wanted to put this out here after the discussion with my friend (same guy person I'm in love with, just so that's clear) and makes sure Bioware is aware neither of us are on here for this grindfest of credits the GTN plays. Personally I think making half these credits people are asking for on prices is by selling cheap if you got the ability to do such things, me personally and I do believe he himself, my friend, aren't on this game to have a lot of credits at hand all the time to buy things we want, that's just not really a big deal to us because we're just here to have fun. A game is suppose to be a source of entertainment, not a job, especially for someone like him. This really upsets me as a friend to him and as someone who cares about him deeply. It's no wonder he leaves swtor so much as he does. It's not a relaxing game trying to work and find ways to make credits when in reality all he wants is to get on have fun and run a few flashpoints and whatnot after a stressful day at work and just relax. Not work to get something he wants when he works an already stressful job.

Add-on: On an actual personal note, nice to not be hassled by someone and actually have a decent discussion and agreement about an aspect of the game that's bad, makes me feel not so crazy and alone, why I love him.
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sumquy
09.25.2017 , 02:43 PM | #2
i'm pretty sure that not only is bioware aware of the ridiculous inflation and price fluctuations, but that they introduced it into the game deliberately. credit sinks are a staple of all mmo's for a number of reasons and here, swtor was able to combine that with rewards to their most valuable cash cows (the people who buy hyper-crates). other than that it sucks for everyone else, i'm not sure what you are trying to say here. i doubt that they are going to make any changes to what, (from their perspective) is a feature, not a bug.
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light_senshi
09.25.2017 , 03:29 PM | #3
GTN Inflation isn't a credit sink, it's transferring wealth from one player to another. A credit sink is something that takes money out of the economy: typically consumables. There's simply not enough, nor enough good ones.

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09.25.2017 , 03:34 PM | #4
Quote: Originally Posted by DarthEnrique View Post
Sith Recluse.
Wait for direct sale to roll around?

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Ethern
09.25.2017 , 04:45 PM | #5
That inflation has gotten out of control for far too long.

I remember buying most of the unlocks and many armor pieces as a preffered status meaning below 350k credits. I don't remember when, probably before SoR.

Nowadays it's impossible. Same pieces sell for around 20 million each. and the credit limit has not been raised to match the trend changes.
Sadly I don't see Bioware fixing this, because that forces players to suscribe and play the cartel market game.

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MeNaCe-NZ
09.25.2017 , 05:51 PM | #6
Quote: Originally Posted by Ethern View Post
That inflation has gotten out of control for far too long.

I remember buying most of the unlocks and many armor pieces as a preffered status meaning below 350k credits. I don't remember when, probably before SoR.

Nowadays it's impossible. Same pieces sell for around 20 million each. and the credit limit has not been raised to match the trend changes.
Sadly I don't see Bioware fixing this, because that forces players to suscribe and play the cartel market game.
Whilst the first post was tldr you make a point on things being just too over priced that i's actually become detrimental to players as a whole i.e. they see the prices (subbed or preferred) and just can't see themselves everp ossibly affording that sort of thing. Thus something that was an attraction to play the game (being able to play space Barbie, spend some cash or time and you'll get there) now becomes more like a slap in the face and thus a deterent.

The bad news ... there is nothing I can see that BWA can do about it - it's just too late.

Well there is one thing they could do but they seem to refuse to do so (making me wonder if they are somehow involved in making money from credit selling). That is quite simply targeting credit sellers in a very ongoing and damaging campaign against them.
As this takes toll credit prices to buy quickly rise due to supply issues and those who were previously buying a lot of credits now spend money on the CM to change their cash to credits. This means more supply of CM goods and thus cheaper prices.

Not sure why BWA never target RMTs in this game because I bet it's costing them significant revenue.

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DreadtechSavant
09.25.2017 , 10:28 PM | #7
GTN prices are not a problem for me. I just don't buy items that are overpriced. If you do then clearly its not a problem, otherwise you would not pay it. There is nothing on GTN that you must have or need. Yes there are items I would like and if I think it worth the asking price sure why not. However very little is worth it, so rarely buy anything these days.

If BW start putting restrictions on players, on what they can sells items for, well then that would be a problem and am absolutely positive you OP be one of the first to complain if BW did.

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JattaGin
09.26.2017 , 03:04 AM | #8
Quote: Originally Posted by Ethern View Post
That inflation has gotten out of control for far too long.

I remember buying most of the unlocks and many armor pieces as a preffered status meaning below 350k credits. I don't remember when, probably before SoR.

Nowadays it's impossible. Same pieces sell for around 20 million each. and the credit limit has not been raised to match the trend changes.
Sadly I don't see Bioware fixing this, because that forces players to suscribe and play the cartel market game.
It started to get completely out of hand with the duplication (or what was it; I don't even remember properly) exploit when 4.0 hit and wasn't fixed for what, 2 months or more? The ingame economy got screwed up by it, the punishments from BW hit mostly the people who only cheated a little bit, but the players doing it in big schemes were able to keep most of their billions. The economy never recovered from it.

There are people here on this forum claiming that it is so easy to have billions nowadays and that many players actually have that many credits. It's not true. If you have a life outside of this game and not hundreds of Euros ready for CM shopping every month, you won't get billions of credits. I don't know why these people claim this.

This as well:

Quote: Originally Posted by MeNaCe-NZ View Post
(...)things being just too over priced that i's actually become detrimental to players as a whole i.e. they see the prices (subbed or preferred) and just can't see themselves everp ossibly affording that sort of thing. Thus something that was an attraction to play the game (being able to play space Barbie, spend some cash or time and you'll get there) now becomes more like a slap in the face and thus a deterent.

The bad news ... there is nothing I can see that BWA can do about it - it's just too late.
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orangenee
09.26.2017 , 03:07 AM | #9
Yeah, the whole "buy low, sell high" crap doesn't fly. As low these days is millions.

You'd have to get lucky with a missed typo to subscribe to that philosophy.
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Eshvara
09.26.2017 , 03:42 AM | #10
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Wait for direct sale to roll around?
But it already got one, it's gonna be a long wait.
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