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(Story Suggestion) Arcann, Nathema & Vaylin

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(Story Suggestion) Arcann, Nathema & Vaylin

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Paulsutherland
09.16.2017 , 05:09 PM | #21
Quote: Originally Posted by Blackvinils View Post
With regard to the abduction Vaylin''s body and Holocron - on Nathema, Exarch was going through manipulation of the Force and Holocron, to resurrect Vaylin and make it into a kind of puppet? Or Exarch wanted to absorb her spirit to gain her power?

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(Had a power cut the first time I typed this out - think I got it all back in)

Hmmm ... Exarchs were the loyal ones ... let's see ...

'The Exarch'

Exarch's motive: Revenge

This Exarch, fought in the war, when the Eternal Empire invaded both the Republic and Sith Empire.

(From Lana's description - [Around the 10 minute mark KOTFE - Chapter 4], this war lasted one year. With both the Republic and Sith fleets being 'disabled or eliminated' by the third month of the war - best guess, they then picked off the factions planets one at a time and by the end of the year had managed to blockade both Coruscant and Drummond Kass, forcing them both to surrender and pay heavy tribute.

QUESTION: The tribute the Eternal Empire was collecting, was that for the Star Fortresses?)

After the war ended, this Knight was selected by Arcann to join the 'Exarch Project', survived the 'enhancements', then was given command of one of the Star Fortresses over one of the conquered worlds. (Perhaps Bothawui?)

By the time the Outlander is actively opposing the Eternal Empire (KOTFE), this Exarch is learning everything he/she can on his/her opponent from various sources ... (Records from the Sith Empire or Republic, survivors of various fights etc.) ... However, his/her quest for knowledge is cut short when the Exarch learns Arcann 'fell' during the First Battle of Odessen.

Six months later (time between Kotfe and Kotet), the Exarch would spend much time punishing those on the planet he/she had been ordered to observe. To further his/her frustration, Scorpio (disguised as Vaylin) ordered the remaining Star Fortress Exarchs to maintain their positions over their worlds (so not to interfere with Scorpio's motive), forcing them to miss the Invasion of Voss, Gravestone/Iokath Incident (KOTET Chapter - 3, 4, 5.)

The Exarch regains communication with the EE during the events of (KOTET - Chapter 6), during which the Exarch discovers Vaylin has lead multiple successful raids against the Alliance (six patrols, four outposts, and a Sith supply convey) then learns Valkorian is still around.

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Learning about Valkorian:

(KOTFE Chapter 6) The Scions / Gravestone Crew learn Valkorian is still about. Should the Exarch get to interrogate one, he/she could discover that way.

(KOTFE Chapters 8, 10, 12, 15 & 16) Arcann lets out several comments about Valkorian influencing the Outlander within earshot of Knights/Skytroopers.

(KOTET Chapter 6) During this chapter, Arcann, the Outlander and Vaylin (Both LS and DS versions) make several comments each about Valkorian still being around & influencing the Outlander, all while those cameras are floating around broadcasting to the rest of the galaxy! While at the same time witnesses a duel between Arcann and Vaylin, then Arcann defecting to the Alliance (LS) or his Death (DS).

(KOTET Chapters 1,3,8.) Vaylin lets out several comments within earshot of Knights, Skytroopers, Horizon Guards about Valkorian being inside the Outlander. (If some of these guys survived I could see the Exarch interviewing them and learning of this - Though I think the Chapter 6 reasoning would suffice.)

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Learning of Nathema: (Chapter 7) While we see only one ship approach Nathema, Vaylin's line during the scene she kills the Red Knights ( Jeezz ... Redshirts aren't safe here either?! ) implies there are more ships in orbit. (The Exarch could have learned of Nathema's location from one of these ships or that surviving Horizon Guard.)

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Learning about the Holocron: (this one is tricky) I suppose the Exarch could 'sense' the Holocron would be important (maybe sensing Valkorians influence on it? or mistaking Vaylin - and or Arcann's recent taint on it).

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Then Vaylin is killed during the Second Battle of Odessen, which turns the Eternal Fleet into 'extermination mode' attacking everything. The Exarch, likely having the same problem as everyone else would be preoccupied battling the machines, not learning of Vaylins demise until later when the Outlander broadcasts to the rest of the galaxy as the new leader of 'Eternal Alliance.'

In complete shock as to what just occurred over a short time, the Exarch could then go on making contact with remaining Eternal Empire forces who share the same opinion as him/her, while continuing his/her own investigations into the state of Valkorian presence inside the Outlander. (Unknown to him/her Valkorian is now gone.)

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Why recover Vaylin? When Vaylin dies, Arcann / Lana claims the EE forces have lost the will to fight without Vaylin's rage to drive them. Perhaps the Exarch is under the same belief? Without Vaylin the remaining forces have become sloppy, Vaylin's rage is what the Remnant forces need if they want any chance of fighting the Eternal Alliance.

Maybe the Exarch has been researching Jedi or Sith healing techniques? believing he/she has found a way to resurrect his/her fallen leader?

Or perhaps the Exarch's been lead to believe that Valkorians bloodline can only play host to his essence, and requires either Arcann, Thexan or Vaylin?

Or it could just be out of loyalty to the former Emperor/Empress of Zakuul.

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Blackvinils
09.17.2017 , 01:45 AM | #22
It's impressive, realy , well, then it turns out that :

1 - On arrival on Nathema with Arcann or Lana, Outlander first sneaks through the ruins of the city, where the ambush of the Exarch (maybe remnants of Horizon Squad?) at the same time, exploring lore;

2 - Then comes the territory between the ruins and the repository (maybe some mountain range?), they are creatures, escaped from the laboratory;

3- Then there's Vault (in chapter 7 KOTET, it was blown or littered with debris) is probably the Exarch began clearing the way before him - and the Outlander and companion reach it, avoiding the traps of green gas, gets to places, where there was a Holocron, and there he finds Vaylin''s body (or also Arcann''s body) and then, Exarch throwing the creature on the Outlander, then he joins the battle;

4- Then there is a scene with spirit's, as a result, the player is given the choice, after which the Character leaves the planet with acquired companion (or not);

5 - Then there is a cut-scene on Odessen, on arrival the Commander;

6- Then, on mail, comes the message from Vaylin

Right?



#Arcann,Nathema&Vaylin

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fishpeople
09.17.2017 , 04:50 AM | #23
Damn, if they do this, this Exarch has to be a Chiss - I'm getting the Thrawn vibe from this character.

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(KOTET Chapter 6) During this chapter, Arcann, the Outlander and Vaylin (Both LS and DS versions) make several comments each about Valkorian still being around & influencing the Outlander, all while those cameras are floating around broadcasting to the rest of the galaxy! While at the same time witnesses a duel between Arcann and Vaylin, then Arcann defecting to the Alliance (LS) or his Death (DS)..
****, I never noticed that, the three of them told the rest of the galaxy, Valkorian was still around.

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Paulsutherland
09.17.2017 , 07:29 AM | #24
Response in blue.

Quote: Originally Posted by Blackvinils View Post
It's impressive, realy , well, then it turns out that :

1 - On arrival on Nathema with Arcann or Lana, Outlander first sneaks through the ruins of the city, where the ambush of the Exarch (maybe remnants of Horizon Squad?) at the same time, exploring lore;

- if the Exarch is baiting the Outlander to come to him/her I doubt he/she would risk killing the Outlander until he/she's got what they sought after.

2 - Then comes the territory between the ruins and the repository (maybe some mountain range?), they are creatures, escaped from the laboratory;

Yeah, if you explore the map there are some pretty cool areas.

3- Then there's Vault (in chapter 7 KOTET, it was blown or littered with debris) is probably the Exarch began clearing the way before him - and the Outlander and companion reach it, avoiding the traps of green gas, gets to places, where there was a Holocron, and there he finds Vaylin''s body (or also Arcann''s body) and then, Exarch throwing the creature on the Outlander, then he joins the battle;

The Exarch tamed one of the giant spider things?

4- Then there is a scene with spirit's, as a result, the player is given the choice, after which the Character leaves the planet with acquired companion (or not);

Not sure what you're asking.

5 - Then there is a cut-scene on Odessen, on arrival the Commander;

Going back to Odessen with Vaylin would likely get the attention of anyone nearby. Especially if your DS'ing it.

6- Then, on mail, comes the message from Vaylin

Hehe - If you want to know what the definition of 'hate mail' is ... brining back Vaylin would likely trigger a lot of people.

#Arcann,Nathema&Vaylin

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Blackvinils
09.17.2017 , 08:34 AM | #25
Correction:

1- Then Outlander with Arcann or Lana walks through the ruins,( along the way possible bonus mission to exploring the lore objeсt's of this place (like in ch. 4 KOTET - on Iokath));

3- Maybe before the attack of the Exarch, the Outlander will be attacked any creature? As in ch. 7 KOTET, something like a Corrupted Vault Guardian?:

4- After defeating Exarch, then there is a scene with the fate Vaylin - to destroy the Holocron, or to resurrect her (and other choise's, as you suggested, Paul);


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Paulsutherland
09.17.2017 , 10:19 AM | #26
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Quote: Originally Posted by Blackvinils View Post
Correction:

1- Then Outlander with Arcann or Lana walks through the ruins,( along the way possible bonus mission to exploring the lore objeсt's of this place (like in ch. 4 KOTET - on Iokath));

Bonus stuff is always cool.

3- Maybe before the attack of the Exarch, the Outlander will be attacked any creature? As in ch. 7 KOTET, something like a Corrupted Vault Guardian?:

Oh, like a mini boss fight? Sure anything works.

4- After defeating Exarch, then there is a scene with the fate Vaylin - to destroy the Holocron, or to resurrect her (and other choise's, as you suggested, Paul);

I think having Senya Sacrificing herself to free Vaylin from Nathema option would have more 'feels' to it.

#Arcann,Nathema&Vaylin

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Blackvinils
09.17.2017 , 03:30 PM | #27
It may be worthwhile to create an appropriate thread on Reddit? So as to know the opinion of other players about this suggestion

Thus, it maybe, there will be more chances for the realization this idea, because, , one way or another, no matter how cool was not the suggestion, it is unlikely to be implemented in the game, without the support and interest of other players



#Arcann,Nathema&Vaylin

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Blackvinils
09.17.2017 , 07:02 PM | #28
Quote: Originally Posted by Paulsutherland View Post
I think having Senya Sacrificing herself to free Vaylin from Nathema option would have more 'feels' to it.
WHAT ABOUT THIS?


Thus, if Senya alive , when you second visit on Nathema, she's can be taken as a second companion? As in ch.6, 8, 9 KOTET as a follower, so you can solve the problem with the choice in the end:

Light Side

1 - Senya sacrifices himself, helping to resurrect Vaylin;

2- Holocron can be destroyed, because Senya would not leave Vaylin in the "cage";

Consequences:

A - Vaylin, maybe, aware that her mother loved her, and with help LS Arcann "redeemed" from chaotic evil to lawful evil;

B- Exarch defeated, the threat to the Alliance eliminated, Vaylin''s spirit is fully released and at rest;

Dark Side

2 - Outlander may choose to resurrect a Vaylin/DS Arcann (Perhaps such a choice would have liked those who would like to have Arcann DS version as a companion) or leave Holocron, sharpened both spirits in "eternal torment"

Consequences:

A - Resurrection - Arcann DS version as a companion (but as a bonus), (because if players want a romance with him, he can be recruited in ch.6 (LS)) OR Vaylin DS (a more evil version, maybe?) maybe if the Outlander DS also, they can be alike? (Vaylin talking this in ch.9 if you selected one of the dialogues);

B - Exarch defeated, the threat to the Alliance is liquidated, the children of the Emperor locked in a mental cage forever.

#Arcann,Nathema&Vaylin

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Blackvinils
09.17.2017 , 08:00 PM | #29
Another issue for discussion:

PROBLEM:

The main snag is that Vaylin''s spirit was freed in the minds of Outlander. So, why is she trapped again?

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I understand that her body could be taken, even immediately after the fight in ch.8, during the retreat of the forces of the Eternal Empire. It is possible that the Medicine of Zakuul well enough developed to heal a variety of injuries and wounds - it is still possible to explain;

BUT the situation with her spirit - this is one of the main problems

As an option:

I propose to consider the situation in which the Exarch with the help of Holocron and rituals of the Force, which he learned from the recovered flight logs from the ships of the Republic and the Empire trying to bring Vaylin"s spirit, and then resurrect her in body (out of loyalty to her), but something went wrong and the result Vaylin be trapped, and it is through the nightmares sent a signal to the Outlander.
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However, there is still a lot of work on this idea - it is necessary to consider all the details

#Arcann,Nathema&Vaylin

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Paulsutherland
09.17.2017 , 09:44 PM | #30
Quote: Originally Posted by Blackvinils View Post
Another issue for discussion:

PROBLEM:

The main snag is that Vaylin''s spirit was freed in the minds of Outlander. So, why is she trapped again?

/Snip

#Arcann,Nathema&Vaylin
That mind game chapter is vague, she (and Arcann) get freed from Valkorians control - after that - your guess is as good as mine.

Quote: Originally Posted by Blackvinils View Post
It may be worthwhile to create an appropriate thread on Reddit? So as to know the opinion of other players about this suggestion

Thus, it maybe, there will be more chances for the realization this idea, because, , one way or another, no matter how cool was not the suggestion, it is unlikely to be implemented in the game, without the support and interest of other players


#Arcann,Nathema&Vaylin
I don't use Reddit that often, but if you want to, go for it.