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Paulsutherland
09.16.2017 , 10:04 AM | #11
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As opposed to doomsday particles and a whole menagerie of extra-dimensional beings? or space wizards and gangster slugs?

If you've been able to suspend disbelief up to this point, I really don't see how distances in space where FTL is commonplace, especially with hyperspace which is considerably faster than warp (weird infinite warp speed episode in Voyager notwithstanding), is a problem.

There are lots of things that you could reasonably take issue with, but I really can't see that being one of them.
Well ... going through a planetary shield at light speed, then stopping before hitting the planet is hard to swallow.

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orangenee
09.16.2017 , 11:29 AM | #12
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I suppose nitrogen is explosive, she'll need a lot of shrimp in order to cover the entire ship.
It'll be a "force fart". An emission so powerful it'll make Malachor V seem like a minor spark.
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DarthDymond
09.16.2017 , 12:33 PM | #13
Very cool - Ep VII was really solid (good enough to let me choose to forget about the train wreck that was ST: Into Darkness) so if we're not going to get a DuVerney, Bird, or Jenkins Star Wars flick yet, then I'm happy to see Abrams coming back.
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Diviciacus
09.16.2017 , 07:26 PM | #14
Quote: Originally Posted by MadDutchman View Post
As opposed to doomsday particles and a whole menagerie of extra-dimensional beings? or space wizards and gangster slugs?

If you've been able to suspend disbelief up to this point, I really don't see how distances in space where FTL is commonplace, especially with hyperspace which is considerably faster than warp (weird infinite warp speed episode in Voyager notwithstanding), is a problem.

There are lots of things that you could reasonably take issue with, but I really can't see that being one of them.
I'm talking about Spock being able to *********** SEE VULCAN FROM VEGA.

I'm talking about them somehow being able to *********** SEE HOSNIA FROM TAKODANA.

It's ********. Utter ********.
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MadDutchman
09.17.2017 , 06:15 PM | #15
Quote: Originally Posted by Diviciacus View Post
I'm talking about Spock being able to *********** SEE VULCAN FROM VEGA.

I'm talking about them somehow being able to *********** SEE HOSNIA FROM TAKODANA.

It's ********. Utter ********.
On the Vega one, the semi official explanation seems to be:
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Delta Vega was an icy class M planet in the Vulcan system. Its orbit carried it near enough to Vulcan that the other planet could be seen from Delta Vega's surface.
Where this is a different Delta Vega (in much the same way as their are a truly stupid number of Springfields in the US)

A bit weak, but then again, in a diverse universe of impossible stellar phenomena that has nothing to do with Abrams, this is an unusually easy one to explain. Of course, Star Trek likes to portray itself as scientific, though it really falls flat on a very regular basis


And frankly, complaining about physics in Star Wars really seems strange to me. GL never gave a damn about the physics, why would Abrams change the formula?


Why suspend disbelief for one director (who often isn't even the writer) and not another?
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Diviciacus
09.18.2017 , 09:36 AM | #16
Quote: Originally Posted by MadDutchman View Post
On the Vega one, the semi official explanation seems to be:

Where this is a different Delta Vega (in much the same way as their are a truly stupid number of Springfields in the US)

A bit weak, but then again, in a diverse universe of impossible stellar phenomena that has nothing to do with Abrams, this is an unusually easy one to explain. Of course, Star Trek likes to portray itself as scientific, though it really falls flat on a very regular basis


And frankly, complaining about physics in Star Wars really seems strange to me. GL never gave a damn about the physics, why would Abrams change the formula?


Why suspend disbelief for one director (who often isn't even the writer) and not another?
I'm sorry, I didn't realize other planets in the same system show up larger than moons in the sky. I'm curious; have you ever had someone point out Mars or Jupiter to you in the sky?

It's not that I'm unwilling to suspend disbelief. Faster than light travel and the Force are pretty clearly on the fiction side of science.

Distances in space are HUGE. No amount of "suspension of disbelief" will change that. For Spock to have seen Vulcan that close, Delta Vega and Vulcan would have to be tidally locked in orbit with each other. The destruction of Vulcan would have changed Delta Vega's orbit due to gravity, so quickly and so much so that it would have been either flung into space or fall into 40 Eridani alpha (the star Vulcan orbits) in a big hurry. For Han Solo to watch Hosnia being destroyed with the naked eye, he'd have to be so close that Takodana would have been IN the Hosnian system. Episode VII would have been real short if that were true, because everyone would have died at the end of the second act when Takodana also got hit by Starkiller base.

You can ignore some aspects of physics sometimes, but you literally cannot ignore the physics underlying the structure of the universe.

How really hard would it have been to have the patrons of Maz Kanata's bar watching the Hosnian system being destroyed on the Holonet?
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bdatt
09.18.2017 , 12:40 PM | #17
I'll reserve judgement until I see Episode VIII. If VIII ends up with Rey getting her hand cut off by Ren, while he tries to recruit her into the order to defeat Snope because they're cousins, I'll probably assume IX will be just as unoriginal with a return to destroy the death planet again.

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Paulsutherland
09.18.2017 , 01:07 PM | #18
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I'll reserve judgement until I see Episode VIII. If VIII ends up with Rey getting her hand cut off by Ren, while he tries to recruit her into the order to defeat Snope because they're cousins, I'll probably assume IX will be just as unoriginal with a return to destroy the death planet again.
What if it's quite literally a 'Death Star' this time? They built an even bigger blowey uppy thing on a star this time :O

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Shayddow
09.18.2017 , 05:44 PM | #19
I have much trepidation where Abrams is concerned. I'll never forgive him for blowing up Vulcan in Star Trek.
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