I'll start by saying I have a brand new 27" 4K monitor and a new gaming rig with a high end graphics card (not highest, but it makes SWTOR gorgeous), all highest graphical settings, and 20/20 vision. Yesterday I spun the kingpin machines at least 150 times, using the Feeling Lucky buff for every spin. I was looking at the machine display head on and not at any angle. On a lot of the spins I could see clearly stopping on either side of the jackpot triangle by even the slightest margin.

Here's my problem--I counted definitively seven jackpot results, hitting the triangle dead-on (tallying each one in guild chat). I got nothing but kingpin chips for all seven jackpots. No gold certificates, no mounts, no companions, nothing. Now, through those 150 spins I did receive 11 gold certificates that resulted from random areas in the win zones, but never from the jackpot result.

I was only doing the event for a few of the achievements and did not care about not winning anything of note. I did not want a Gamorrean companion and a mount would have looked nice but I never would have used it. This is not a complaint thread because I "didn't win what I wanted." So the reason I'm posting this is to see if anyone else had this issue of hitting the jackpot but not actually winning anything. I did not see anyone in my guild complaining about it or anyone else in gen chat either.

Finally, perhaps the problem is my expectations? I mean, the triangle must be the jackpot based on all the information available to us, right? Should I have been expecting I would hit the "jackpot" over half a dozen times and it would be perfectly expected that hitting the triangle could do nothing more than grant more coins and nothing else?

I think your problem is assuming the triangle in the middle is a jackpot.

I do not think it is given the random nature of it all and small chance to see an actual jackpot.

Just landing on the triangle doesn't mean all that much as I too have hit it and gotten nothing but a token returned.

Probably boils down to even on that triangle hit, there is a large chance at nothing vs actually winning anything.

"You hit the jackpot!"

Unfortunately for you, there is still a 98% chance of getting nothing but a token returned.

I've gotten Certs from being directly on the triangle tip,..to barely edging the edge of the green.

I think the above is correct. It's all a matter of on the green or not gets a 'first round' win. Then..it goes into another rng mode to determine what you won, which includes the Jackpot.

It's like combat,... roll to see if you Hit,...then roll again to see if it crits. Doesn't matter where you hit as long as it hit.

I'll start by saying I have a brand new 27" 4K monitor and a new gaming rig with a high end graphics card (not highest, but it makes SWTOR gorgeous), all highest graphical settings, and 20/20 vision. Yesterday I spun the kingpin machines at least 150 times, using the Feeling Lucky buff for every spin. I was looking at the machine display head on and not at any angle. On a lot of the spins I could see clearly stopping on either side of the jackpot triangle by even the slightest margin.

Here's my problem--I counted definitively seven jackpot results, hitting the triangle dead-on (tallying each one in guild chat). I got nothing but kingpin chips for all seven jackpots. No gold certificates, no mounts, no companions, nothing. Now, through those 150 spins I did receive 11 gold certificates that resulted from random areas in the win zones, but never from the jackpot result.

I was only doing the event for a few of the achievements and did not care about not winning anything of note. I did not want a Gamorrean companion and a mount would have looked nice but I never would have used it. This is not a complaint thread because I "didn't win what I wanted." So the reason I'm posting this is to see if anyone else had this issue of hitting the jackpot but not actually winning anything. I did not see anyone in my guild complaining about it or anyone else in gen chat either.

Finally, perhaps the problem is my expectations? I mean, the triangle must be the jackpot based on all the information available to us, right? Should I have been expecting I would hit the "jackpot" over half a dozen times and it would be perfectly expected that hitting the triangle could do nothing more than grant more coins and nothing else?

Dude... when you do hit a jackpot.. you get an immediate graphic coin fountain and fireworks above you. You cannot rely on any graphics on the machine as these are largely cosmetic, other then the red or green light result at the end.

And sorry to break it to you.. but Kingpins ARE indeed paying out jackpots. I've had it payout a good number of certificates, three mounts and the Gamorean since the patch. ALWAYS play the Kingpins ONLY when you have the Feeling Lucky Buff.

Jackpots will happen when they happen.

Last night I got 8 Kingpin Jackpots with the mount. #9 I got the Gamorrean Companion. Bummer it isn't in collections . . .

I mainly wanted the achievements and the first year they did the event I got 7 mounts in a row and then a Rancor, so the odds seem to be roughly the same. At least you can buy the Rancor now for 30 Gold Certificates.

KC

So, what's the point of the triangle, if like some of you are saying as if you designed the system yourselves, it actually doesn't do anything?

Perhaps I missed early in the event's life when someone or something told us "hey, there's a triangle in the center of the "win" zone that looks like a bulls-eye, you know, like in most of these types of games, but it doesn't actually do anything. It's there because....we don't know, we just like putting geometric shapes in the center of things" If that's the case, fine. GREAT design element

Nowhere am I denying people aren't hitting jackpots or that I'm mad because I didn't get the comp (that I could care less about) or mounts (that I would never use even if I won them). I know what the jackpots look and sound like when they happen. I was observing how strange it is that you can hit that triangle dead-on and it doesn't actually mean there is a jackpot position.

Which is FINE, if that was the intended design. If you have a 100% chance of winning something inside the "win" zone, and it is 100% RNG what that something is 100% regardless of where the arrow falls inside the win zone, then my only question is, what was the point of the triangle in the dead-center of the "win" zone?

It would be like "Here's a target with a bullseye. There is a bright center point that you could call the "goal", or "point", of shooting at the target. However, whether you hit the bullseye or the outermost part of the entire target, your reward will be awarded by separate rolls of the dice completely unrelated to what you just did with the target."

Or you are on an actual slot machine, and you get five in a row of the "highest-valued" symbol, but your winnings could be as if you got three in a row of the lowest-valued symbols, four of the mid-value, or what you actually see with your own eyes--you know, the five things in a row that is an actual visual queue in front of your face that you just hit the "target" or "goal".

You're saying you'd be happy at any casino, seeing that happen, and just accepting the lowest payout? Or you'd be happy practicing and honing your aiming skills with the target and bullseye only to see someone miss the bullseye by a meter and get a higher reward than you, who just hit the dead-center?

Great logic, great design.

 

You're saying you'd be happy at any casino, seeing that happen, and just accepting the lowest payout? Or you'd be happy practicing and honing your aiming skills with the target and bullseye only to see someone miss the bullseye by a meter and get a higher reward than you, who just hit the dead-center?

 

Great logic, great design.

Way to overshoot the mark. Calm down and listen.

All we're saying is you get in the win zone you get a prize,...be it another kingpin token or a Cert,.. or whatever. The Triangle seems to mean little. No one said they're happy. It is what it is,.and we told you.

And don't pretend there is skill by implying 'you hit the bullseye'. You can stare at the spinny thing for as long as you like and think you hit GO at the right time but as you've hopefully noticed the screen blips and resets it's spin to whatever RNG it rolled as a starting state. So there is no timing to use skill on.

I noticed this too and it's true for the smuggler's machines as well. I think the display doesn't really match up with an actual jackpot win. I think anything within the green zone counts as "not a loss," and then the wins from there are simply random. I suspect they never bothered coding an actual jackpot visual.

They do have a jackpot visual because they use it with the Contraband Slot Machine. They probably forgot to tie it in with the event or just wanted to crank it out as soon as possible. Probably the latter.

You click-

RNG Decides Win/Loss

RNG Decides Prize

THEN graphic starts spinning the wheel If it's a win it'll land anywhere in the Win bar, including triangle. If it's a Jackpot it will land on the triangle.

Landing on Triangle doesn't mean Jackpot, but Jackpot will land on Triangle.

Check your Feeling Lucky buff the next Kinpin play. ANY win more than your Coins back will consume the remainder of the Feeling Lucky on click. Before any spinning.

The lack of reading comprehension is literally painful. It's clear some people have better powers of visual observation and the disconnect between visual design and actual design in these slot machines, while others have the incredible power of making obtuse observations about things that were never said or implied. My only hope is someone who actually matters (and isn't a self-righteous player who pretends they were in on the design process) will notice the design flaw now and either acknowledge that it means nothing or let us know it isn't working as intended.

The above example about the visual design being tied to the way the Contraband Slot Machine is supposed to work makes a lot of sense, and would further point to something being wrong here.

You click-

RNG Decides Win/Loss

RNG Decides Prize

THEN graphic starts spinning the wheel If it's a win it'll land anywhere in the Win bar, including triangle. If it's a Jackpot it will land on the triangle.

 

Landing on Triangle doesn't mean Jackpot, but Jackpot will land on Triangle.

 

Check your Feeling Lucky buff the next Kinpin play. ANY win more than your Coins back will consume the remainder of the Feeling Lucky on click. Before any spinning.

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While jackpots occur, I also noticed that the small "jackpot" triangle has apparently lost its effect. I was quite sure that previously, if there was a jackpot, the machine's graphic would show the small triangle. But maybe this is just the case with my slot machine in the stronghold? I got jackpots at the corner of the big green winning field this time. As I said, I was sure this didn't happen before.

I quickly realised that the small "jackpot" triangle is of no effect anymore. (And with that, I don't mean that it ever had an effect, but that I was under the impression that the machine stops at the small triangle if the RNG gives you a jackpot prize.)

Is it better to accumulate kingpin coins through the smuggler slot then head to the kingpin slots, or just go one by one with the buff?

Never buy Kinpin tokens direct from the vendor because they're expensive af, unless you can afford to throw some credits around.

What I'm going to do is get all my tokens from FPs, because both smuggler and kingpin tokens drop. I'm going to collect 100 smuggler tokens (I think I'm at 34, or something now) and that just do that. That way I won't need to spend a thing for the remainder of the event. There are also missions, two, I think, at the club that give you tokens.