TyrionGraphiste Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 (edited) Such balanced game :) Edit : I have tons of images like this Edited February 21, 2017 by TyrionGraphiste Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talon_strikes Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 Why it's the Thrill of the Hunt™! Isn't it Exciting™?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
merovejec Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 Just go Merc too and youre fine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TyrionGraphiste Posted February 21, 2017 Author Share Posted February 21, 2017 Just go Merc too and youre fine Without laughing I'm close to take this seriously.. It's the better way to create awareness of this problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TUXs Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 (edited) Such balanced game :) Edit : I have tons of images like this Like it's any different now than it's been with sorc's or PT's in the past? Give it time and it'll balance back out. edit: Looking at the leaderboard, I'm not seeing the imbalance you are - The top 100 Group Ranked are as follows: 20 = Sorcs 18 = Maras 17 = Assassins 14 = Powertechs 12 = Snipers 9 = Mercs 7 = Juggs 3 = Operatives TBH...that's the most balanced I've seen it in a long time. It's generally been 40+ Sorcs and 30+ PTs... Edited February 21, 2017 by TUXs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eriksarcasm Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 So lots of Mercs? Maybe that's because people have been posting in chat and the forums for months how OP they are? You: Mercs are OP and unkillable!!! New player: You don't say....? *rolls a Merc* Rinse and repeat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordSkyKnight Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 Like it's any different now than it's been with sorc's or PT's in the past? Give it time and it'll balance back out. edit: Looking at the leaderboard, I'm not seeing the imbalance you are - The top 100 Group Ranked are as follows: 20 = Sorcs 18 = Maras 17 = Assassins 14 = Powertechs 12 = Snipers 9 = Mercs 7 = Juggs 3 = Operatives TBH...that's the most balanced I've seen it in a long time. It's generally been 40+ Sorcs and 30+ PTs... The problem isn't in ranked smart guy, its in regs. They are everywhere like flies on a corpse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TUXs Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 The problem isn't in ranked smart guy, its in regs. They are everywhere like flies on a corpse. I disagree. Ranked is extremely important in trying to determine a classes "actual" effectiveness vs. FOTM popularity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TyrionGraphiste Posted February 21, 2017 Author Share Posted February 21, 2017 (edited) So lots of Mercs? Maybe that's because people have been posting in chat and the forums for months how OP they are? You: Mercs are OP and unkillable!!! New player: You don't say....? *rolls a Merc* Rinse and repeat. Apparently it's not "rinsed and repeated" enough otherwise they would have fixed this Edited February 21, 2017 by TyrionGraphiste Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ratajack Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 I disagree. Ranked is extremely important in trying to determine a classes "actual" effectiveness vs. FOTM popularity. Strange as it may seem, on this, I tend to agree with TUXs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FerkWork Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 (edited) Sry GC only allows me to play one toon. (Kappa) Edited February 21, 2017 by FerkWork Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cuiwe Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 (edited) I disagree. Ranked is extremely important in trying to determine a classes "actual" effectiveness vs. FOTM popularity. I agree with you TUXs. What is visible on that picture in the OP is the FOTM crap. It's just like that Taric hullaballoo back when in LoL. Ok, Taric was much, much more useful than Mercs are. But it didn't mean that once you were a support, you auto picked Taric(lol no)-on the contrary, if anyone picked Taric with Caitlyn or Ezrael...gg, what can I say, gg. What's important to note is what's what in the ranked part and how effective it actually is when people actually give a damn about the outcome of the game. I care for the outcome of even the casual, but most people(~80%) don't. They can perfectly fine play casual PvP while stoned and drunk lol-an act which is a heresy to me and my ilk. Ideally, the spread would be: 5 / 5 / 5 ... / 5. But that's only ideally. Realistically, there shouldn't be above 20 on top position and below 5 on the bottom one. So, the balance does need some help, but it's fine imo. What needs looking at is not the big picture(aka class balance), but the details(aka Discipline balance). One doesn't have to be Sherlock to deduce that Focus / Conc are largely useless outside PvP and Watchman outside group PvE. Maybe tone down the usefulness within the current domination aspects and bring up the lesser used aspects(so that Focus is actually useful in some sort of PvE)? idk It's ok currently imo. But nothing above ok, mind you. edit: One interesting question: What gives rise to the FoTM-itis? What causes it as it were. Edited February 21, 2017 by Cuiwe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TUXs Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 edit: One interesting question: What gives rise to the FoTM-itis? What causes it as it were. This is a HUGE can of worms that I'd rather not get into...but...ego has to do with 99% of it imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wainot-keel Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 So you had a match with a bunch of merc. I had a match with a bunch of snipers. And then another with 6 operatives. Six! Interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CKNORTH Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 This is a HUGE can of worms that I'd rather not get into...but...ego has to do with 99% of it imo. Heh all I know is that I was combat spec Sent and then switched to watchman... instead of getting FaceRolled in 2 seconds I can now last 10 seconds... woot! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cuiwe Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 This is a HUGE can of worms that I'd rather not get into...but...ego has to do with 99% of it imo. Funny. I've an instinct to play something that's NOT POPULAR(provided it's fun too). I don't really like FoTMs and the like. Wonder what that tells about me. Hm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
realleaftea Posted February 22, 2017 Share Posted February 22, 2017 (edited) I'm curious how you guys can conclude anything just by looking at the leaderboards. Does it tell you who is attacked first? Who is incapacitated most of the time? Whether heals are overpowered or ok? Whether these heals allow other classes to stay alive longer and to dish out more damage now? Does it tell you how hard people triy, whether players have left the game and when? Does it tell you whether the ranking is defined by an uneven distribution among classes and consequential by certain group constellations? (f.e. Sorcerer = 331 pages; Sniper = 122 pages) Because even in regular warzones, there's a huge difference whether you look at fulfilled objectives, individual performance, group constellations or the frequency of 'uneven numbers' fights. In a 1vs1 situation, it doesn't help to state: "Don't attack a Mercenary while his shield is up". - There's a 6s 'don't hit him' duration while Responsive Safeguard is active - There's another 12s 'don't hit him' duration due to Trauma Regulators (cancelable while incapacitated) - And there's a 8s 'useless to attack unless you gank him' duration due to Kolto Overload Sure, it's easy to call it a L2P issue as long as you look at uneven or group fights. In a 4vs4 fight f.e., you might be able to defeat him if your group focuses on other targets first and eventually bursts him down while he's stunned... but that tells you nothing about class balance... only that he didn't survive a 4vs1. Likewise, it's one thing to check how well an Engineering Sniper performs in a last-man standing scenario and how well he performs spamming his Plasma Probe on objectives that must to be activated, preventing any attempts to claim it (while he has up to 2x20=40sec immunity to incapacitating effects) So once again, how does the leaderboard tell you anything about class balance? Edited February 22, 2017 by realleaftea Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RudeDog Posted February 22, 2017 Share Posted February 22, 2017 Such balanced game :) Edit : I have tons of images like this Not enough mercs... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XeniasLatin Posted February 22, 2017 Share Posted February 22, 2017 Why it's the Thrill of the Hunt™! Isn't it Exciting™?! We should start a movement- anytime anything goes horribly wrong and we post about we should end the post with Isn't it Exciting. Can't get that item on GC after reaching lvl 300- isn't it exciting Guild disbanded cause people stopped playing-isn't it exciting Item you want no longer available-isn't it exciting Can't romance character because of bug-isn't it exciting Don't stand a chance in PVP because of unbalance-isn't it exciting No new content- isn't it exciting Did I miss anything? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
merovejec Posted February 22, 2017 Share Posted February 22, 2017 Like it's any different now than it's been with sorc's or PT's in the past? Give it time and it'll balance back out. edit: Looking at the leaderboard, I'm not seeing the imbalance you are - The top 100 Group Ranked are as follows: 20 = Sorcs 18 = Maras 17 = Assassins 14 = Powertechs 12 = Snipers 9 = Mercs 7 = Juggs 3 = Operatives TBH...that's the most balanced I've seen it in a long time. It's generally been 40+ Sorcs and 30+ PTs... Well that is kinda biased as there are more specs to some classes. While Maras are pure dps Sorcs can be heal (well some good kitting dps). Snipers are also clear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TyrionGraphiste Posted February 22, 2017 Author Share Posted February 22, 2017 (edited) In a 1vs1 situation, it doesn't help to state: "Don't attack a Mercenary while his shield is up". - There's a 6s 'don't hit him' duration while Responsive Safeguard is active - There's another 12s 'don't hit him' duration due to Trauma Regulators (cancelable while incapacitated) - And there's a 8s 'useless to attack unless you gank him' duration due to Kolto Overload? So yeah it's very fair in comparison to others classes In another words it's useless to attack a merc because you have a 26s lag Edited February 22, 2017 by TyrionGraphiste Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TUXs Posted February 22, 2017 Share Posted February 22, 2017 I'm curious how you guys can conclude anything just by looking at the leaderboards. So once again, how does the leaderboard tell you anything about class balance? The leaderboard reflects the best and the most competitive PvPers in this game. They're the ones who know their class (in PvP) best and they're the players who know PvP the best. They're the guys who stomp the crap outta you in regs. They're the people who play the PvP portion of this game over anything else. They don't write guides on how to beat Soa, they PvP...and just like any good raid leader, they know what classes to bring to win. The leaderboard reflects the classes they play with. When Sorcs were OP, the leaderboards reflected it. When PTs were OP, the leaderboards reflected it. YOU may not know how to beat a Merc right now, but I guarantee that these guys do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AscendingSky Posted February 22, 2017 Share Posted February 22, 2017 We should start a movement- anytime anything goes horribly wrong and we post about we should end the post with Isn't it Exciting. Can't get that item on GC after reaching lvl 300- isn't it exciting Guild disbanded cause people stopped playing-isn't it exciting Item you want no longer available-isn't it exciting Can't romance character because of bug-isn't it exciting Don't stand a chance in PVP because of unbalance-isn't it exciting No new content- isn't it exciting Did I miss anything? I'm sure Ben Irving finds all those results of his utter incompetence EXCITING!!!!!!! indeed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rion_Starkiller Posted February 22, 2017 Share Posted February 22, 2017 (edited) I disagree. Ranked is extremely important in trying to determine a classes "actual" effectiveness vs. FOTM popularity. Strange as it may seem, on this, I tend to agree with TUXs. Me too. I regularly yolo mercs on my ruffian scoundrel. Bads will be bads, and regs will be regs. PS - I'm back... for now. Edited February 22, 2017 by Rion_Starkiller Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vember Posted February 22, 2017 Share Posted February 22, 2017 (edited) Me too. I regularly yolo mercs on my ruffian scoundrel. I don't believe you. Edited February 22, 2017 by Vember Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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