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When will someone address the lag switching exploits?

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When will someone address the lag switching exploits?

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groovyphilia
01.30.2017 , 07:35 PM | #11
^ What Lennik said.

I'm Wowee, and people told me about this thread. First question: are you mentally deficient?

You'd have to be deaf, blind, and dumb not to realise that this game has had lag issues for years, probably even since it launched. Do I cry and whine every time I rubber band insanely across the map every time a jugg leaps to me? Do I start whimpering every time a operative glitches all the way to the top of the map while carrying the ball in Queshball? Well yeah, sorta, but I do it in Discord and bug reports, and after that I put on my big girl panties and try to improve the performance of this chunk of metal I play on. I don't start bathing Slalkota with my salty tears and accusing people on the forums, because I know it's not their fault and they're just trying to play their class, and that I willingly devote my time to a bug-ridden game.

You can name and shame about imaginary 'lag switching' all you want, but really, everybody knows that large swathes of the EH PvP population doesn't need to lag out to be beat, they're mediocre enough. I have little doubt this includes you.

(yes, I do take offence when some random starts accusing me of exploiting for the most inane reasons.)

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Groncho
01.30.2017 , 08:21 PM | #12
Been playing for a couple of months in TEH
and been doing PvP for 5 years
Never saw anyone in TEH doing those things (wich i certainly saw in other servers)
And for the players u are "calling", I faced them and even be with them in some Wz's, they are not cheating and they are not super stars tbh, so maybe u will need to practice a bit in ur toons and try to kill em faster
I think u need to experience real hackers/exploiters (like ppl flying out of map bounds or speed hacking) to understand that
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TrixxieTriss
01.30.2017 , 09:29 PM | #13
Quote: Originally Posted by Groncho View Post
Been playing for a couple of months in TEH
and been doing PvP for 5 years
Never saw anyone in TEH doing those things (wich i certainly saw in other servers)
And for the players u are "calling", I faced them and even be with them in some Wz's, they are not cheating and they are not super stars tbh, so maybe u will need to practice a bit in ur toons and try to kill em faster
I think u need to experience real hackers/exploiters (like ppl flying out of map bounds or speed hacking) to understand that
You must have a good community on TEH to not see any nefarious cheating. That must be good.

I've played since launch and have seen it all. From people not understanding abilities and mechanics to the extreme speed hackers.
Over the years both myself and my partner Icykill have done a heap of research on what is possible in this game and what's not. We belong to a lot of the underground hack sites where people actually develop the hacks and discuss things to do with exploiting or lag switching as well as real life hacks, malware, DDoS. etc.
Knowing what is possible and how it's done makes it much easier to identify if someone is cheating or not.
Knowing all the class abilities, map mechanics and also your own net lag are essential to even start to identify cheating.
To many cheat calls are mistakes. Most of us long term players have been called a hacker at some point or other.

But that doesn't mean there aren't chesters in the game. There are and a lot more than people think or are able to identify.
There are 3 types of cheaters in this game
1. Blatant troll cheaters like we've seen on and off in Ranked over the last 12 months. These guys are there to grief people and stick it to Bioware because Bioware do "F" all to stop them
2. People learning to cheat because they are sick of losing to better players and think it will help them. These guys are the ones people can usually identify because they havent learnt what setting to use or aren't skilled enough to lag switch properly. Those lag switchers really stand out as you can basically watch them stop for a few seconds to activate it before trying to continue the fight.
3. People who know how to set up or use the cheats in a way that is very subtle and undectable to most players. They are also usually competent players, not good players, just competent and the cheats they use can make them look better than they are. It's these guys that you have to worry about, not the first two.

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There are lots of other things people use besides the speed hack, but I'm not going to go into those as I try not to advertise what and how to do it. I only want people to understand that everything isn't hunky dory and just because they haven't seen it, doesn't mean it's not happening, it just means they can't always identify it.

I'd say about 90-95% of people who call people out for cheating are false accusations. But I would also say 95-99% of people can't identify the subtle cheaters. This is why we have so much contention on this subject. The people who falsely accuse players drown out ledgitmate calls and those who can't identify them and tell people they don't know what they are talking about are just as bad because they provide cover for those subtle cheaters.

The whole argument is Biowares fault. They know it happens, but don't do anything to discourage it. There is no easy way to report cheaters, they have no deterrent and the penalties for cheating are laughable. They also don't act in a timely manner to stop the blatant cheaters, so that just promotes cheating because people know they can get away with it. I think it's one of the main reasons we see those troll cheaters to start with. They just want to show everyone how pathetic Biowares actions and policies on the issue are.

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DiavoIa
01.30.2017 , 09:54 PM | #14
Lag switching really only has an advantage in FPS since it requires aim to hit targets, P2P games are the worst affected, not server based games like mmo's

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TrixxieTriss
01.30.2017 , 10:05 PM | #15
Quote: Originally Posted by DiavoIa View Post
Lag switching really only has an advantage in FPS since it requires aim to hit targets, P2P games are the worst affected, not server based games like mmo's
Normally I would agree, but because if swtors engine, it can be just as effective if done right.

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Groncho
01.30.2017 , 10:56 PM | #16
Pls
Stop with this keyboard diarrea
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TrixxieTriss
01.30.2017 , 11:01 PM | #17
Quote: Originally Posted by Groncho View Post
Pls
Stop with this keyboard diarrea
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Neoforcer
01.30.2017 , 11:05 PM | #18
Quote: Originally Posted by BeoAzazel View Post
I've been a long term subscriber and never before have I seen such blaintan exploitation of lag switches. At first I thought it was my computer. A hard reboot and restore of the computer and its running smoothly. I create a new character, level that character to 70 the whole time doing pop matches of every kind...no major issues with lag. Turn 70 and bam out of nowhere whenever I engage or am engaged by certain players I get crazy fps issues and before I know it I am dead. Some of the other players have noticed it too. So I started to pay attention to who is in active combat while I am getting lag spikes like I am using dial up again. It was consistent. One player (Toxin Germ -The Ebon Hawk) consistently lagged out just until your character is dead the. Everything goes back to normal. This is too coincidental and too inconsistent for it to be gpu issues. Like I said I have spent well over 70 levels without issue. Every lvl 70 ex it's lag heaven only during certain engagements. When will bioware start researching upload download drops and sudden increases?
not a lag switch it is them using prnt screen on a loop macro with razor hardware a lag switch will only make a person lag them self out as they can cut network connection for a few seconds which makes them disappear. prnt screen lag the client out in your area... we complained about it nothing been done since launch

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TrixxieTriss
01.30.2017 , 11:09 PM | #19
Quote: Originally Posted by Neoforcer View Post
not a lag switch it is them using prnt screen on a loop macro with razor hardwae
That doesn't work. It was addressed early on after the game was released.

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Neoforcer
01.30.2017 , 11:10 PM | #20
Quote: Originally Posted by TrixxieTriss View Post
That doesn't work. It was addressed early on after the game was released.
lag switch don't work here either. an ex guild of mine tried them this why i say ex guild since i found out they did this i wont play with cheater