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Is it me, or is TOR era far more powerful than anything in the movies era?

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Is it me, or is TOR era far more powerful than anything in the movies era?

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mrdrsenorpeanut
12.17.2016 , 03:03 PM | #1
I love the OId Republic and I love the movies, but I was watching the movies, prequels and sequels, and I just find myself in awe, like watching Yoda fight Dooku, like they're a bunch of weaklings. Dooku pulls a few pebbles from the ceiling and Yoda is all "powerful you have become" but that's like apprentice level stuff in TOR. Like, if this Jedi Order had to fight Vitiate/Valkorion, they'd be destroyed in seconds. What reason is there that the older Sith are so much more powerful than those who come after them? Like there honestly is no comparison AT ALL.

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12.17.2016 , 04:11 PM | #2
I'd disagree. PCs can't do that. We can't crack the ceiling. As for attack abilities it may be difficult to compare how deadly they are. Though the animations for some abilities show things that don't show up in the movies. But I have a feeling that that is more about optics than anything else.
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12.17.2016 , 04:13 PM | #3
Quote: Originally Posted by Dragondog View Post
I'd disagree. PCs can't do that. We can't crack the ceiling. As for attack abilities it may be difficult to compare how deadly they are. Though the animations for some abilities show things that don't show up in the movies. But I have a feeling that that is more about optics than anything else.
Well, look at Valkorion, he can control an entire planet at one time, and then kill everyone. Nobody in the movies or that era has anywhere near that level of power, and what would the Jedi even do to stop something like that? It seems Yoda is the most powerful and wise, and even he doesn't compare to Valkorion.

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cunctatorg
12.17.2016 , 09:30 PM | #4
Quote: Originally Posted by mrdrsenorpeanut View Post
Well, look at Valkorion, he can control an entire planet at one time, and then kill everyone. Nobody in the movies or that era has anywhere near that level of power, and what would the Jedi even do to stop something like that? It seems Yoda is the most powerful and wise, and even he doesn't compare to Valkorion.
It is true but that's of no significance from my point of view; the important thing is the relative, global strength of the heroes of KotOR and KotOR2, the relative strength of the TOR protagonists and antagonists and the relative powers of the heroes of the SW Episodes I-VI, not to mention the next Episodes as another topic.

All these sets are to be separated not because they are about Force Users of different eras but mostly because they are about Force Users of different ... fictitious works and you can not really put limits to creative imagination and such; that's all!

I really like all of them, mostly Episodes I-VI, then KotOR2;TSL and KotOR! Most of TOR is quite interesting also, particularly some Classes' story lines, SoR, KotFE and KotET!! RotHC not so much of course but it goes...
Anyways I don't care to find out what Master Yoda could achieve against either Revan or Arcann or what the chances of Darth Sidious are against either Darth Nihilus or Valcorion... Not even George Lucas could answer so hard and impossible to answer questions!...

The real issue is if Darth Vader fits into his story together with Master Yoda, Darth Sidious and Darth Tyrannus, if the Exile fits into his own story and if Valcorion fits into His story of The Immortal Emperor, THE Sithari or whatever...
Well, they all obviously fit very well (or even perfectly well!!) there...
Imho that is the question and that's my answer.

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Ivchoy
12.17.2016 , 10:22 PM | #5
First off if we pass judgement by what we see(i mean literally visual performance) i have to agree with the creator of this Thread that Kotor1, Kotor2TSL and SWTOR - will eat, swallow and sh*t the characters from original movies from I to VII

BUT....

Evolution mate, Evolution....

Right back in the day when they released the first SW movie "A new Hope" - the universe of Star Wars, was still very young and undeveloped but as we can see - looking back in time chronologically, from the very first Star Wars released material until now we witness(and here i will repeat myself) EVOLUTION and the beauty and perfection that goes with it.

The games and in particular SW KOTOR and TOR comes verry late in the timeline and they have the foundations from the old movies to step on and continue building up...

In the movies(especially IV,V,VI) the creators had limited time and technology to create by the best of their abilities the clothes for the still naked baby body of Star Wars(if i may express myself by that metaphor)

Later on we see improvement of effects, combat scenes, world enviorment, alien species in episodes I,II,III and VII(for the last one i remain without opinnion if it si improvement or else)
Bet there is so much you can tell and show for this 2-3 hours(per movie) about Star Wars Universe...

About the Games - well here you have the Absolute Freedom and Power to redesign the already known product into something much much better.
Especially Kotor1,2 with their long long hours of Role Play gameplay in which we are flooded with information about everything we never knew....

But back ONTOPICK:
In one of the comic books Darth Sidious used so powerfull force STORM that he(if memorry serves right) destroyed a starship into the atmosphere of Coruscant from some room in some Building planetwise...

Further more, take The Force Unleashed 1 and 2 and compare the Display of Overwhelming Power Starkiller is wielding both with the Force and by Lightsaber skill.
The story of The Force Unleashed game series goes like link between episode III and IV of the original movies and can be considered as modern times, long after SWTOR universe was put to rest into dusty and forgoten datacrons.
There are countless more examples to show that "modern" Jedi and Sith will have to say a thing or two to their Old Republic Colleagues...

About Master Yoda, in the movies he is already in his twilight years and still he was a something to not f*ck around with.
I wonder of what he was capable of in his prime...

On the other hand - Yes maybe some of the sith Lords and Jedi masters of old are undeniebly stronger than "new era" Jedi/Sith but we are speaking of thousands of years in between them - years in which The Force like the main energy source of life takes little off time to recharge then BOOM it goes back for a new Era of Galacic comflict tearing to pieces the very fabric of the universe...

Valkorion is no doubth one of the most formidable oponents we ever saw but like all beings of power almost overwhelming, he must have a one tiny weak spot which someone prepared enough will see and exploit leading to his underdoing....

And one more thing, what about the Rakatan Empire - they were Rulers of ALL the Force Surved for their ultimate weapon and shield, they left behind powerstations, temples and machines that even in the Highlight time of Old Republic with all its Sith Lords and Jedi Masters, are considered as something outstanding and mysterious.

Doesn't that mean that in their day of suprimacy, the Rakatan Empire was even stronger than Old Republic Empire and Republic combined togather....Yes i think that they were, BUT...
Where are they now? Like all things pasing trough the riever of time - they came, evolved, enslaved and ruled only to fall, scatter and sink into oblivion.

So back on the begining - it is not just you - there is significant difference between dispay of power wielded in both Old and New Republics - but we have to take under consideration the few points i made about how back in time lies the actual creation of New Empire and Republic(Rebbels) as we know them,
and how foreward in timeline lies the story of SWTOR when the technology used to create it is many many level higher(which opens dors, and gates that were closed and locked back in the day)

As an ending i will use my opening words:

Evolution, my sw friends - Evolution!

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Limariko
12.18.2016 , 04:13 AM | #6
Some interesting tangents brought up so far, so I'm going to toss in a bit of a meta perspective.

Taking into account Joseph Campbell's comparative mythology work, what if we're experiencing the Star Wars franchise as if we're the audience to a particularly skilled talespinner around the figurative campfire? For example, starting with the original films, the feats of Wonder are grand, but going farther back, those feats become grander in the telling when they were probably the same as the original baseline. So, in essence you have Force users well known to use some telekinesis and mind trickery and while it was still likely just that in level abilities in the older days, the storytelling gets ramped up to tales of Force users affecting entire planets or creating life with thought and will. This would also explain why everything involving the Force is usually from the Jedi perspective despite groups of Force users existing long before the formation of the Order and having their own unique interpretations or why technology doesn't really seem to develop during all this time in universe.
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12.18.2016 , 07:17 AM | #7
Quote: Originally Posted by Dragondog View Post
I'd disagree. PCs can't do that. We can't crack the ceiling. As for attack abilities it may be difficult to compare how deadly they are. Though the animations for some abilities show things that don't show up in the movies. But I have a feeling that that is more about optics than anything else.
Actually think back to the JK story. When Master Orgus Din drops the ceiling and the JK remarks "I want to be able to do that". and then later in chapter 3. I forget which planet the JK actually does said ceiling dropping.
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fishpeople
12.18.2016 , 08:04 AM | #8
Maybe they had too much peace? With no threat to the Jedi later on they saw no need to become more powerful.

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Sith-Viscera
12.18.2016 , 08:04 AM | #9
I say yes, just on the movie prospective. I mean KOTOR KOTOR2 SWTOR KOTFE & now KOTET. I say yes, its way more powerful. Tons more Jedi, Tons more Siths. Things was way more connected to the force or at least in This old Realm it is. The movies depicted a Dead Jedi Order in Films 4.5.6. with a handful of secret Jedi scattered through out the galaxy. Sith was slowly making a come back but nothing like in the days of TOR. Again In 4.5. & 6 of the Movies, its almost like the Force was slow in getting reconnected to everything. It had to be, by a preordained planning to be re established to be able to be passed on to another and by that passing of the teachings. It Awakens once again.

So at this point and time the Force was, I SAY. 'Far Superior in TOR, compared to the films and that goes for 1 thru UNSEEN 8'.

Now i did not go thru a bunch a details from all movies just kind of summed it up.
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12.18.2016 , 08:30 AM | #10
Well for one you're comparing a set of movies which try to tell a story, to a game where it's all about having fun and becoming more powerful. Especially the expansions as it's just one giant telling of who has more power and that's....pretty much it.
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