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Rouge One - First Impressions


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Darthmalzai
12.15.2016 , 06:57 PM | #11
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If I ever see this film it would be to see Vader again. Is it true he is only in it for a few minutes?
He is in three scenes which are maybe 5 minutes in total.

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Zhedzaban
12.15.2016 , 07:12 PM | #12
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He is in three scenes which are maybe 5 minutes in total.
Wow what a complete and utter waste. They could have quite easily made him the central villain, seeing as they got James Earl Jones back to do the voice.
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cunctatorg
12.15.2016 , 09:38 PM | #13
Imho, "Rogue One" is much better than Episodes IV ("A New Hope") and VI ("TRoJ") IF we don't take under consideration the Force Users' stories of confrontation and interaction...

Scenario and direction are good enough but (imho again...) it could be better sometimes! Disney is giving too much consideration at attempts of emotional capture of the spectators and fans, this is OK but it shouldn't be THE main menu... Globally speaking the scenario is great but many "secondary" details could be better;
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All in all, a good SW movie but I don't like the rise of the pair of just TWO Pylons, the emotional one and the Pylon of the "general story-line compatibility"; these two Pylons are necessary of course but -imho again- it needs more Pylons, namely details' and patterns' elaboration, awe inspiring characters and more elaborated, rational and smart characters' action... Do not suppose that only leading Force Users are smart and cunning ... and do not suppose that George Lucas' recipes are the last word!...
Episodes I, II and III were much more entertaining...

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Garravesh
12.16.2016 , 01:04 AM | #14
My wife and I just returned from viewing this motion picture. She is not a great SW fan but loves sci fi and Trek. Her impressions of the movie were as such: "I did not get a chance to know the characters." also "there was no connection" she also feels the movie was forced...no pun intended.

For me the best parts were Tarkin and his rolling of the letter R's.

Much of the movie was unbelievable......especially CGI Leia at the end spouting off HOPE. I have read much soft cannon and non cannon sources that have eluded that Bail Organas ship was not in this battle aka Audio Drama of Star Wars and for me that has always been the way the story was even if it was not canon. So seeing the ending was not agreeable. Most of the characters were not believable to me.....and they did not invest time into getting to know them...so when they all die....I was like ":whatever". I loved the Tarkin character..absolutely superb.....
The Empire was at the peak of its strength and yet they still loose on land and sea......space is always the rebels forte but the ground is where the empire kicks crack.......not in disneys world I reckon......
I sid enjoy the iconic characters from the CANTINA and Red Leader and Gold leader and a few other cameos but R2 and C3-PO were not necessary.


Overall there was no character development and in the end they killed em all and there was no sadness or reflection......just a shrug of the shoulders........I give the movie a 3 out of 10.

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Raynn
12.16.2016 , 08:55 AM | #15
Quote: Originally Posted by Garravesh View Post
My wife and I just returned from viewing this motion picture. She is not a great SW fan but loves sci fi and Trek. Her impressions of the movie were as such: "I did not get a chance to know the characters." also "there was no connection" she also feels the movie was forced...no pun intended.

For me the best parts were Tarkin and his rolling of the letter R's.

Much of the movie was unbelievable......especially CGI Leia at the end spouting off HOPE. I have read much soft cannon and non cannon sources that have eluded that Bail Organas ship was not in this battle aka Audio Drama of Star Wars and for me that has always been the way the story was even if it was not canon. So seeing the ending was not agreeable. Most of the characters were not believable to me.....and they did not invest time into getting to know them...so when they all die....I was like ":whatever". I loved the Tarkin character..absolutely superb.....
The Empire was at the peak of its strength and yet they still loose on land and sea......space is always the rebels forte but the ground is where the empire kicks crack.......not in disneys world I reckon......
I sid enjoy the iconic characters from the CANTINA and Red Leader and Gold leader and a few other cameos but R2 and C3-PO were not necessary.


Overall there was no character development and in the end they killed em all and there was no sadness or reflection......just a shrug of the shoulders........I give the movie a 3 out of 10.
Disney has already stated that there is no cannon outside of the movies. They axed the EU completely. Leia at the end is now the cannon. I didn't mind the ending much but there were some good stories in the EU that I think Disney Killed way quickly. Regardless, everything we've read about Leia not being there is no longer relevant.

I do agree about the rushed character development. There were many people, Yen and his buddy, a few others I wanted to know more about but this was literally Oceans 11. No one complained that we didn't get the whole backstory on the characters in Oceans 11. All we cared about was the heist. This was the exact same thing.
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gaelicvixen
12.16.2016 , 09:05 AM | #16
Well I loved it. But I love war movies, and Rogue One is a war movie imo. Gritty, dirty, and fast-paced, and mindful of the mortality of all involved. Definitely not a kid-friendly kind of film.

And Vader was amazing. Everything I'd hope to see from him. He was in it as much as he needed to be, considering the Death Star was not his baby.

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cunctatorg
12.16.2016 , 09:06 AM | #17
I insist that this movie is enough interesting from a SW point of view and it has some great moments from any artistic/filming point of view; Darth Vader was also fast but a Vader indeed.

I also insist that the maker of these movies has to have ... more artistic ambitions, this is SW but it's also space/exploration movies, "military"/"historic" movies and political allegories of course!
Follow George Lucas' example, not just his (old, first...) recipes; SW is for smart and naive people too, SW is for children, it is for teenagers but also for adults and mature people, SW is for dreamers but for persons with analytical thinking also!... George Lucas followed some recipes during the 1977-1986 Episodes IV, V and VI but he rightly decided to -more or less- modify/enrich these recipes during the 1999-2005 Episodes I - III and it was exactly the success of that newest trilogy that firmly established the status of the SW universe!... Old fans had (and still have!...) complains and such (they rightly insist that Episode V -TESB- was the best; so what?) but nevertheless the newest trilogy was a great success story and that was that; otherwise the status of the SW universe would have been seriously undermined ... or not?!?

My points are that
i) a -basically for adults and smart guys- SW movie could also be exciting for teenagers, children and naive guys, however the opposite is hardly possible... Therefore you have to set priorities alongside the appeal to a wide audience of different tastes!.......
and ii) the film makers need more ambition as the spectators need more excitement, "suspense", dreaming and ... also thinking!!...
It is also true that the very foundation of these movies is i) a fully developed, global but also elaborated -up to the last detail !!- scenario and ii) an epic and emblematic, even choreographic action, acting, characters' depiction and ideals' presentation and clash!!
I really hope that the Disney guys will eventually find a zone of fertile balance, containing the right directions!!...

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Raynn
12.16.2016 , 09:13 AM | #18
I rank it up there with Empire as possibly being the best SW movie ever.

People just want hours and hours of character development, due to SW having been out for so long. We've had this universe and characters for so long and they've been developed across so many mediums that we hold the movies to unreal expectations.

Go watch New Hope again with an open mind. There was very little character development. Vader had basically very little screen time. Luke was discovered and wrapped up his backstory in 15 minutes. Han got nothing more than the 'fastest ship in the galaxy' line. The story was about rescuing the princess and stopping this unimaginable death machine from obliterating everything. The characters back story came over the next 2 movies and the 30+ years of video games, cartoons, books, and other things we ravenously devoured because the IP is so immersive.

While I want to know more about the characters in Rogue One, where they came from and how they got there means jack. This was about the heist.

PS: I hated Force Awakens. It was a just bigger, flashier rehash of New Hope with half the heart and plot holes big enough to fly that planet sized death star thru. Rogue One was simple and contained while still being a Star Wars adventure. And thank god, no one instantly became a master in the force like freaking Rey did...
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Raynn
12.16.2016 , 09:17 AM | #19
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Wow what a complete and utter waste. They could have quite easily made him the central villain, seeing as they got James Earl Jones back to do the voice.
His 5 minutes completely eclipsed his entire run time in Episode 3 though. You're doing yourself a disservice if you don't watch it, honestly.
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t-darko
12.16.2016 , 11:29 AM | #20
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...t but this was literally Oceans 11....
Might be an age thing but I'd say "The Dirty Dozen" rather. and in that sense the movie has a classic build up and execution.

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Overall there was no character development and in the end they killed em all and there was no sadness or reflection......just a shrug of the shoulders........I give the movie a 3 out of 10.
The characters aren't really the story told here, the story told is How the Death Star Plans happen to come in the rebels possession. The characters take second place to that fact.

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His 5 minutes completely eclipsed his entire run time in Episode 3 though. You're doing yourself a disservice if you don't watch it, honestly.
I couldn't agree more, an over use of Vader would have spoiled the movie and is a far to easy way to win Fan Favors, thank god they didn't walk into that trap. I would argue that the concentrated presence of Vader was very well executed.

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Well I loved it. But I love war movies, and Rogue One is a war movie imo. Gritty, dirty, and fast-paced, and mindful of the mortality of all involved. Definitely not a kid-friendly kind of film.

And Vader was amazing. Everything I'd hope to see from him. He was in it as much as he needed to be, considering the Death Star was not his baby.
I have to agree, this is the closest we've come to ESB so far . . .