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ENVISIONocity
12.10.2016 , 06:36 AM | #1
[EDIT: I have gone through the discussion and grabbed what I hope are seen as the "highlights" of the amazing discussion that has come from this topic. It'll be especially useful for the TL;DR readers who are intrigued by the topic title. Scroll to the end of this post for more information (as long as Bioware allows me to edit this post.)]

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Hi everyone. I've been playing SWTOR since it began five years or so, having cut my online gaming teeth first on WOW and then on Matrix Online. Some of you may remember M:O as having immense potential, and for a while the storylines and missions and live events were fresh and engaging— and then sort of sputtered out to that amazing finish when the developers opened the floodgates and let the players experience godmode, basically... before the big end when everyone dropped dead.

SWTOR, for me, raised my expectations of an MMO. The fully-voiced scenes, class stories, and companion relationships were the elements that motivated me to learn how to play the classes. (I tried playing WOW again with their last two expansions, but the absence of fully-voiced conversations and cutscenes was the turnoff for me). Five years later, I probably still look like a hack-and-slasher out there in the game. I admire all those who can wrap their heads around ability rotations and grasp how if something pops, this other thing goes off. Me, my sight just goes fuzzy and I get a loud ringing in my ear when I try to understand how the mechanics of the classes work.

I'm what seems to be referred to as a "casual." I may log in an hour an evening, if I'm feeling it. I've been a constant subscriber. And I've been a pretty steady reader of the forum.

I've also been a solo player from the beginning. I've had guild invites, of course, but never joined one. I've grouped maybe a total of four times, I think? I think most, if not all, were to complete one of the Heroics on Dromund Kaas, if memory serves— the one where everyone stands around waiting for the elite to re-spawn.

I'm an altoholic, as well. I've maxed characters slots on my server, The Shadowlands. If I was to be honest, I'd say several of them are being kept because of their outfits/gear which is Bound. If I could set those items to Legacy, I'd do it in a heartbeat and then free up the slot. Annnnnd, since I can't, the character stays, lol!

I've played every class story to completion. I have yet to reach full companion rank with several of my class companions, even after five years of playing. I keep intending to, but just never seem to work on that aspect of SWTOR gameplay.

As far as my playing skill, I'm horribly slow getting to keys or clicking off abilities, but I am unimaginably incompetent when it comes to me trying to set a buff for players I cross paths with in-game who aren't topped off! I've lost track of the times I've missed as I tried frantically trying to click on the player while they run by, and they go out of range. It really is quite comical from where I'm sitting. You kids just move too fast!

I steer clear of PVP because I guess I just never took to it, even when I tried it back in WOW. Certainly caused anxiety, though, so I can imagine how others love that rush of player against player where it all comes down to reflexes and ability rotation choices.

Never joined in on an Operation, either. Having seen streams of the Operations, though, I can completely understand why others are so fervent in their requests for more of them. They seem pretty intense.

As far as the overall game story (Classic and Galactic Command as a whole)— I have only played KOFTE with two characters, and not to completion with either. Both of those characters were CM tokens, as I have yet to carry one of my characters over into KOTFE.

Speaking of the Cartel Market, I have spent plenty there, too. As a rule, I purchase the speeder buffs for my characters as they hit their level minimum for the token. For me, it's a quality-of-life thing, improving game flow in the in-betweens. Kick in streaming music and off I go. I don't bother with the packs even though I like what I've seen what you might get if RNG is kind on sites like Dulfy and Twitch.

Getting back to why I've never felt interested in bringing one of my characters (or all) over to KOTFE/KOTET: I think the primary reason is because the characters I've developed relationships with in each class story are, for all intents and purposes as far as I understand it, removed from the game with no tangible evidence of when they will return— and certainly by no choice on my part.

If choices matter, then my choice has been to treat KOTFE, and now KOTET, as a separate game from Classic SWTOR.

I spend my time in Classic SWTOR these days. About a week ago, after watching a Twitchcaster playing a strictly dark side character, I realized that I have never played a fully dark character, so I'm working on that for the first time (I am dominantly Neutral across my character roster). Sith Marauder, of course. I'll confess that the storyline of the dark side has had some surprises that I have enjoyed. Still not liking that new Ravage animation, though, and being as old and set in my ways as I can be, I probably never will like it. To me, it plays like, "Oh cool, by the power of Cartoon Mode!" and suddenly old Batman captions flash up Bam Pow KerThump!

I created this SM with the notion this character being the first I take into the new game of KOFTE/KOTET. I reserve my right to change my mind when I approach the closing missions of Classic. Given my track record, I'll probably choose my companions over the expansions again, like I have with all of my Classic alts. In this case, choice does matter.

At some point, I'll tire of the Classic storylines as I have before. That's when I'll take a closer look at Galactic Command, revisit one of those two Instant characters that were made specifically for KOTFE/KOTET and see about experiencing that alternate (for me) storyline.

If Bioware ever provides tangible evidence that all of the companions a scheduled to return through storyline in a definite period of time (I've seen people on here mention this year being a nice place for that to happen), then I would be more inclined in carrying over a Classic alt... [although that apelike walking animation used in KOTFE/KOTET is distracting and far less natural than the animation used in Classic].

Even so, I find myself in agreement with the point raised by others here that there is no fun in there being a single story when it comes to the KOTFE/KOTET side of SWTOR, which I guess I should be referring to as "Galactic Command."

Certainly not with 38 other alts! I'm not sure which is more grind-like: farming a gold in GC enough to hit a cap, or playing the same GC storyline to completion 40 times.

Neither sounds like a way I would like to spend my casual time in SWTOR, so here I remain in Classic SWTOR— after all, there are still plenty of things I haven't done.

Don't get me wrong: I'd love to play through Classic and into GC— but not without the people who helped each of my characters get to where they are. All the more so when a love interest is involved!

One last thought: I've read others grieving over either or both the RNG factor of Galactic Command and I've seen mention of those who would like to see certain things extend across one's Legacy. When I first saw those posts, it seemed like the CXP earning could be handled easily enough. Add it into the Legacy perks with it's own four or five tiers like what is done for Story XP perks, with each tier increasing your RNG favor to the point where we could have a nice buff when we go CXP earning.

Along with that thought, the issue of repetitive gear coming out of RNG is easily resolved by switching the gear from Bound to Legacy— especially given the unmistakable single-player focus of SWTOR/GC. This allows us to move RNG'd gear across our roster as needed. Even if I RNG'd (if I even played GC) 40 belts, I can use those 40 belts across my 40 characters. As an aside: it's been my experience in SWTOR/Classic that RNG gives me earpieces, wrist and waist gear (although lately I've been RNGing head gear for the first time ever). Again, this is strictly my own experience in Classic as a solo casual doing Heroics and such.

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Anyhow, I've blathered on long enough.

If you run by me out there in The Shadowlands, slow down enough for an old gamer to throw a buff your way.



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Discussion Highlights:

SWTOR in the Life of a Casual

Solarwake ---

To me, it has always seemed that the player community has been divided into those who were primarily looking for KotOR 3 and those who were primarily looking for Star WoW, with relatively few people honestly attracted to the game for both facets from the outset.

http://www.swtor.com/community/showp...7&postcount=17


ENVISIONocity ---

Have any of you solo players run in Galactic Starfighter's missions?

http://www.swtor.com/community/showp...3&postcount=22

If choices matter, then my choice has been to treat KOTFE, and now KOTET, as a separate game from Classic SWTOR.

http://www.swtor.com/community/showp...5&postcount=29

eriksarcasm

"Exploding Simulator" (GSF)

http://www.swtor.com/community/showp...2&postcount=41


ImmortalLowlife

I play swtor like it's Kotor 3.

http://www.swtor.com/community/showp...8&postcount=48

Tippor

I do LOVE my stealthies too.

http://www.swtor.com/community/showp...7&postcount=54

Blacklynx

SWTOR has what i always found lacking in most mmo's...

http://www.swtor.com/community/showp...0&postcount=60

djungelvraaal

TIP: when you get to the fleet for the first time...

http://www.swtor.com/community/showp...5&postcount=61

ENVISIONocity

Which of the class stories have you been the most conflicted about?

http://www.swtor.com/community/showp...3&postcount=66


What class would you recommend for first-timer to PVP?
http://www.swtor.com/community/showp...5&postcount=71

Tippor

The thing about the class stories is that their replayability is very high.
http://www.swtor.com/community/showp...3&postcount=80

Dunderheid

TIP: How to disable Take Cover hotbar

http://www.swtor.com/community/showp...6&postcount=91

ChristienB

Endgame is a world of its own.

http://www.swtor.com/community/showp...&postcount=111

ENVISIONocity

Companion lag (early onset of ADHD?)

http://www.swtor.com/community/showp...&postcount=116

Alt backstories
http://www.swtor.com/community/showp...&postcount=125

Corvibean

Doing Ops (as a casual)
http://www.swtor.com/community/showp...&postcount=142

ChristienB

Reunions with Love Interests
http://www.swtor.com/community/showp...&postcount=153

Craggy

RNG and Command Crates
http://www.swtor.com/community/showp...&postcount=156

KindlyOne

Feeling the loss of longtime companions in KOTFE/KOTET
http://www.swtor.com/community/showp...&postcount=166

ENVISIONocity

What it means to be a "casual" in SWTOR (for me)
http://www.swtor.com/community/showp...&postcount=187

cmdrzoom

Highlight reel of one player's SWTOR experience
http://www.swtor.com/community/showp...&postcount=193

t_euclidus

Personal experience with SWTOR as a mostly solo player
http://www.swtor.com/community/showp...&postcount=196

ENVISIONocity

Role-playing as a solo player
http://www.swtor.com/community/showp...&postcount=200

Using Heroics as a "warm-up" to PVE content
http://www.swtor.com/community/showp...&postcount=205

LordArtemis

Personal experience with SWTOR as a "casual" player
http://www.swtor.com/community/showp...&postcount=207

ENVISIONocity

Staying appropriately leveled for PVE as a "casual" player
http://www.swtor.com/community/showp...&postcount=216

ENVISIONocity

Finishing the main story of KOTFE/KOTET and thoughts
http://www.swtor.com/community/showp...&postcount=281

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SerraShar
12.10.2016 , 07:23 AM | #2
*Wave from the Shadowlands* Hi!

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As far as my playing skill, I'm horribly slow getting to keys or clicking off abilities, but I am unimaginably incompetent when it comes to me trying to set a buff for players I cross paths with in-game who aren't topped off! I've lost track of the times I've missed as I tried frantically trying to click on the player while they run by, and they go out of range. It really is quite comical from where I'm sitting. You kids just move too fast!
lol I see them too! I'm like ''Eeek! No buff! I give you one..hey! Stay put!'' LOL then I have to run after them . *facepalm*..Let's hope none think I'm stalking them
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Aeristash
12.10.2016 , 07:43 AM | #3
Can't say I wasn't warned, but you really should give a summary to such extensively long post. My concentration jumped out a window before the halfway mark.

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ENVISIONocity
12.10.2016 , 08:07 AM | #4
Quote: Originally Posted by SerraShar View Post
*Wave from the Shadowlands* Hi!



lol I see them too! I'm like ''Eeek! No buff! I give you one..hey! Stay put!'' LOL then I have to run after them . *facepalm*..Let's hope none think I'm stalking them
A fellow Shadowlander! *returns wave*

A lot of times, I've arrived at a mission giver, and someone's there partially buffed but in conversation with the mission giver. I'll actually wait until they exit the conversation and buff them up before clicking into the conversation myself. I'm in no hurry, anyhow.

But factor in moving targets? I'd be an epic fail as a healer, for sure. I don't even want to imagine me in some party, trying to keep everyone alive.

No, I'm perfectly happy with my companions trying to keep me alive through all my bungling of my various classes during melee, lol! Oh, look! That one's flashing, so I need to click on it. Oh, there goes another one. I'm not sure what all of them do, but it doesn't seem to detract from my gameplay and enjoyment as a solo casual. Probably because the game mechanics protect me from myself so I can still enjoy the Classic storylines. The more I think about it, the more that's likely.

The option's there to improve my gameplay. PVP is a great way to develop my style of gameplay because you have the unpredictability of the others you go up against. Gear may win the day in the end, but I can't imagine going away from PVP without having improved in combat and getting more acquainted with the classes I prefer. You work on refining your style, and get faster. I know I'm missing out on a great part of SWTOR, but I'm not missing it, if that makes any sense. Same can be said of Operations, because I'm missing out there, too.

It comes back to story, I guess. Even though I've played them through enough that I can spacebar through those conversations I'd rather skip past because of the particular grindiness that is about to get underway for that particular mission. Some planets I loathe having to deal with either because of the perceived length of distance between destinations, or the grind-like nature of the planet missions there.

My first character was a Jedi Consular. Fully light. She was my first foray into SWTOR, and after having a chance to play through Classic with all of the classes with other characters of various personalities I developed during the time I've played these last five years, I'd have to say she's tragically naive. If I see her through the RotC and SoR story arcs, I can see her eyes opening to the state of things and realizing that sometimes, you have to make decisions you don't want to have to make.

I think I mentioned earlier that I'm primarily Neutral. Just works out that way with my characters, at least after that first one. A couple ventured more officially into either Dark or Light, but never beyond Level 3. My current character will be fully Dark, my first ever. Quinn still annoys me. Always will. Felt good to reject his advances, too. My Sith intends to keep him knowing his place, it seems.

Thank you for your reply!

Are you a casual solo, then?

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ENVISIONocity
12.10.2016 , 08:11 AM | #5
Quote: Originally Posted by Aeristash View Post
Can't say I wasn't warned, but you really should give a summary to such extensively long post. My concentration jumped out a window before the halfway mark.
I'm horrible for that, sorry. I'll talk on something and then... Squirrel!

I've been meaning to write the post since the vocal unrest began following the release of KOTET for the post-Classic Galactic Command system, and I ended up writing a book.

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SerraShar
12.10.2016 , 08:21 AM | #6
Hum....I supposed I would call myself a casual player yes . Im here for the story , but stayed for the great ambiance

Im a gamer in my heart though , been playing games since the Atari . It is in my blood and Im planning to go to Nintendo heaven if there is one

I dont do PVP because of the hostility you find there . I also dont do OP or warzone , because Im a casual Subber lol . OPerations are locked out for those who are not a Sub .

And last , I belong to a guild where Im the only population everyone in my guild bailed when that Flagship nonsense came around . Peoples fought over who get what and who will raise the money of it . Next thing you know , Pouf! guild is empty and Im the only one there . I see the number of 200 something but nobody ever log back . So Im guessing they left their Alt there and started somewhere else .

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But factor in moving targets? I'd be an epic fail as a healer, for sure. I don't even want to imagine me in some party, trying to keep everyone alive.
Nooo! dont say that ! Take it from someone who when she started , she was healing the Mob! haha . It take practise but then you shall Rulez !

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Some planets I loathe having to deal with either because of the perceived length of distance between destinations, or the grind-like nature of the planet missions there.
Voss and Hoth right ! Cose those are the 2 planets..that have the longest road ever....you dont even get a snack for driving that long .

Did you do the old heroic+4 when they were around ^ Do you miss those ^
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Hichitsuki-hime
12.10.2016 , 09:01 AM | #7
healing the mob? shame on you :P
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SerraShar
12.10.2016 , 09:08 AM | #8
Quote: Originally Posted by Hichitsuki-hime View Post
healing the mob? shame on you :P
hahaha I would panic and click on them! then peoples yell at me which doesnt help me at all! LOL But yeah , when I started man...in those heroic+ 4 I healed the Mobs so many times lol .

Nowdays the only problem I have , is when I play my Highest 70 too long . And when I go back to another class...I go <hum....where is the interrupt again do I have a cc on this one >
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AlrikFassbauer
12.10.2016 , 09:09 AM | #9
Quote: Originally Posted by Aeristash View Post
Can't say I wasn't warned, but you really should give a summary to such extensively long post. My concentration jumped out a window before the halfway mark.
I often wonder why people write this. I mean, seriously, have people unlearned to read ?

I admit, though, that the reading format in itself as that of a "forum window" isn't perfect. It is somewhat different from reading a book.
Complex minds
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ENVISIONocity
12.10.2016 , 09:36 AM | #10
Quote: Originally Posted by SerraShar View Post
Hum....I supposed I would call myself a casual player yes . Im here for the story , but stayed for the great ambiance

Im a gamer in my heart though , been playing games since the Atari . It is in my blood and Im planning to go to Nintendo heaven if there is one
I founded my roots with an Atari computer. Games? Oh yes!

Quote: Originally Posted by SerraShar View Post
I dont do PVP because of the hostility you find there .
I can imagine, given what it entails. I already know I'd be little more than a punching bag for better and far more qualified players in PVP. Why go in to prove it? But then I can't get in to similar games where the goal is to frag and kill. My kids can, and prefer those games these days.

Quote: Originally Posted by SerraShar View Post
I also dont do OP or warzone , because Im a casual Subber lol . OPerations are locked out for those who are not a Sub .
Do you run them when you've got a subscription active?

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And last , I belong to a guild where Im the only population everyone in my guild bailed when that Flagship nonsense came around . Peoples fought over who get what and who will raise the money of it . Next thing you know , Pouf! guild is empty and Im the only one there . I see the number of 200 something but nobody ever log back . So Im guessing they left their Alt there and started somewhere else .
I've been a solo casual for a long, long time-- even back into my WOW days when my kids first got me into an online MMO. What you wrote reminds me of how seriously I took my solo-ness, lol! In WOW, I had my kids help me found a guild of one: me. Still there, too, whenever I reactivate my account there.

Quote: Originally Posted by SerraShar View Post
Nooo! dont say that ! Take it from someone who when she started , she was healing the Mob! haha . It take practise but then you shall Rulez !
Okay, I did that a LOT when I was first learning to play, as Qyzen would jump into the fray back when companions still had their assigned roles and my Consular seemed determined to keep the mobs all fresh and able to finish off Qyzen. She could never understand why they'd come over and start wailing on her, lol!

And actually, I prefer the current role options, simply because I prefer certain companions over others, and like being able to assign them to the role I'll need for my progression. Lately, I've become more proactive in selecting their role: if a particular grindy segment is coming up, I'll now set my companion to DPS just so we can move through the mobs at a more productive pace. Most of the time, they're Healer. I've tried their Tank option, but meh. Doesn't seem to feel right with my game style in melee.

Quote: Originally Posted by SerraShar View Post
Voss and Hoth right ! Cose those are the 2 planets..that have the longest road ever....you dont even get a snack for driving that long .
I'd put Hoth in first place, with Voss close behind. I thought Tattooine was draggy until I arrived on Hoth. But you are spot-on about Voss. May the Force be with anyone that has to deal with anything inside that temple toward the end of the planetary story. If we could at least take a mount in there!! It just takes far too long to run to anywhere inside the Temple.

Quote: Originally Posted by SerraShar View Post
Did you do the old heroic+4 when they were around ^ Do you miss those ^
This was before Bioware installed level sync, right? I actually enjoyed going into those after getting leveled to the point where I could do them with my companion and gear, just to experience them. Level sync has put that to an end, and that's been a disappointment because now that we can get to Level 70, I could experience even more of those I still couldn't back when 50 and then 60.

I've never been concerned with what they call "end game" gear, but rather have tried to experience as much of what SWTOR Classic offers me— while I can do so.

Just as an example: I work to make sure each of my alts has their own unique look and will often opt to stay with an underpowered piece of armor to maintain the character's or companion's look rather than have the better one, stats-wise, I just RNG'd.

Which reminds me: I am SO thankful I don't have to try to keep my companions equally geared any longer!! That consumed a LOT of my casual time-- and if I were to place bets, I'd say that it felt like SWTOR: GC must feel like for those trying to gear up now through the new CXP system that us Classic players get to look forward to.

My alts also make it a point to... settle debts. Sometimes as I progress a new character, and they'll come across an NPC that manages to take them down. I nearly always come back and correct that later, when they'vemanaged to level or gear to a level where they can accomplish it. Less so on my Light alts, mind you, who seem to prefer to let bygones be bygones.

Anyhow... time to stop typing again.