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KOTET opinion and Vette or Torian choices (SPOILERS)

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KOTET opinion and Vette or Torian choices (SPOILERS)

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SithKoriandr
12.08.2016 , 12:32 PM | #11
Quote: Originally Posted by Stultophobe View Post
I may be one of the few Warriors who chose to sacrifice Vette. I didn't need to read gen chat or watch YT videos to know that I was choosing which character would die. I played Mass Effect I. This was Virmire all over again.

Wasn't an easy decision, but I still believe saving Torian was the right choice. While I do like Vette more as a character, and while my Warrior may have been closer to her, a leader has to maintain objectivity. There is little room for sentiment in war. At the end of the day, Vette's individual expertise and charm is simply outweighed by the need for influential loyalists in the Mandalorians who are ready to die for your cause. Vette is easily replaced, and that's just the cruel reality. On some level, it's precisely because I knew that she would not take her death with dignity that I chose to sacrifice her. She's simply not the type of person (my) Alliance needs.
We have Shae Vizla. I'm not sure Torian took his death as well as I would have expected. I thought he should have been more of a "Going out in a blaze of glory is just my style Commander." more than "Not how I expected to die."

He was in the middle of a huge battle. How is that not the Mando way to go out?

I've only seen Vette get taken out by her husband in a YT vid and it came out as a total **** move I can't imagine it coming off better with a female Warrior either. I am curious how it looks when done by a non warrior.
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rashencyberspeed
12.08.2016 , 02:18 PM | #12
Quote: Originally Posted by Stultophobe View Post
I may be one of the few Warriors who chose to sacrifice Vette. I didn't need to read gen chat or watch YT videos to know that I was choosing which character would die. I played Mass Effect I. This was Virmire all over again.

Wasn't an easy decision, but I still believe saving Torian was the right choice. While I do like Vette more as a character, and while my Warrior may have been closer to her, a leader has to maintain objectivity. There is little room for sentiment in war. At the end of the day, Vette's individual expertise and charm is simply outweighed by the need for influential loyalists in the Mandalorians who are ready to die for your cause. Vette is easily replaced, and that's just the cruel reality. On some level, it's precisely because I knew that she would not take her death with dignity that I chose to sacrifice her. She's simply not the type of person (my) Alliance needs.
Is she truly more expendable than Torian, though?

Vette has a good amount of tech knowledge and other clever tactics due to her time as a pirate. Whereas Torian could easily be seen as another soldier, of which you may already have plenty. In particular, if you recruited Shae Vizla, and took the light-sided route in the Mando chapter, you probably have plenty more Mandolorians willing to follow you into battle.

This isn't to say you're wrong to choose Torian over Vette. There are perfectly valid reasons for either.

I'm just pointing out that there is much more to this war than just fighting, and specialists like Vette definitely also have their place alongside fighters like Torian.

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SithKoriandr
12.08.2016 , 02:43 PM | #13
Quote: Originally Posted by rashencyberspeed View Post
Is she truly more expendable than Torian, though?

Vette has a good amount of tech knowledge and other clever tactics due to her time as a pirate. Whereas Torian could easily be seen as another soldier, of which you may already have plenty. In particular, if you recruited Shae Vizla, and took the light-sided route in the Mando chapter, you probably have plenty more Mandolorians willing to follow you into battle.

This isn't to say you're wrong to choose Torian over Vette. There are perfectly valid reasons for either.

I'm just pointing out that there is much more to this war than just fighting, and specialists like Vette definitely also have their place alongside fighters like Torian.
Not to mention an assassin who worked with a Sith Warrior for years.
"It's now very common to hear people say, 'I'm rather offended by that.' As if that gives them certain rights. It's actually nothing more...than a whine. 'I find that offensive.' It has no meaning; it has no purpose; it has no reason to be respected as a phrase. 'I am offended by that.' Well, so *********** what." - Stephen Fry

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TairisAnders
12.08.2016 , 02:43 PM | #14
My Agent is self centred egotistical and cares nothing for anyone or anything,,,, she killed anyone that remotely annoyed her if the option was there..... she avoided all romance possibilities .... However when it came to Vette or Torian there was no hesitation.... much to her annoyance she cared about Vette... Vette had a way in to her heart no other character remotely came close too. It was obvious to me Bioware were repeating ME1 and the Ashley and Kaiden choice on Virmire. However I had to decide what Vickie would do..... and no hesitation... Vette was a little ray of light in a the dark life of a former imperial agent. Only my Bounty Hunter chose Torian..... well he is her husband!

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RowanThursday
12.08.2016 , 02:47 PM | #15
I played it based on the decision which made most sense for my character- which was to say 'rescue the civilian who's only an amateur at front-line combat *first*', *then* the professional killer, for whom it's a) part of the deal that a Mandalorian signs up to as a possible outcome, and b) he's got better training and resources at his disposal to last longer, and, even though all my Inquisitor's instincts and force sensitivity were telling her that the second choice was going to die, run like hell and hope to any listening deity that she was wrong.

No, it's not the "glorious death" that Mandalorians and the rest are brainwashed to think is a good thing, but, even so, it's a gamble Torian willingly took on with that lifestyle, whereas Vette's- essentially- a civilian.

I do like that the dilemma happened, and had the upshot it did. Much as I'll miss Torian, it was a wonderful character note- it's a shame really there wasn't time for some form of memorial service between eight and nine.
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TalonVII
12.08.2016 , 07:56 PM | #16
So far my Jedi Knight chose to save Torian. Much as he liked Vette, Torian was a valuable asset in helping to lead the mandalorian forces he simply couldn't throw away. Vette, well her job can be done by both Kalyio and Theran.

My SI chose to save Vette as she felt that Vette was more fun and loyal and had earned her spurs as a valued agent after that heist they pulled.

My BH, that's going to be tough call, but my mando is Mandalorian and he knows the score as much as Torian, but Vette doesn't. And my final run through will likely be my smuggler, again probably save vette.
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Darth_Tempus
12.08.2016 , 08:27 PM | #17
Out of interest has anyone played as a female bounty hunter, been in a relationship with Torian but the chosen to go after Vette first?

I'm wondering if that promotes any interesting dialogue and though there's not much story left by the time that happens whether any further romance options are available such as Lana or Theron.

My BH has been pure goody light side all the way and I'm considering whether a angst driven rampage over the last chapter after the death of her husband will be at all interesting or whether I'll completely lose in terms of romance options as a result.

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gaelicvixen
12.09.2016 , 02:10 PM | #18
Quote: Originally Posted by rashencyberspeed View Post
Is she truly more expendable than Torian, though?

Vette has a good amount of tech knowledge and other clever tactics due to her time as a pirate. Whereas Torian could easily be seen as another soldier, of which you may already have plenty. In particular, if you recruited Shae Vizla, and took the light-sided route in the Mando chapter, you probably have plenty more Mandolorians willing to follow you into battle.

This isn't to say you're wrong to choose Torian over Vette. There are perfectly valid reasons for either.

I'm just pointing out that there is much more to this war than just fighting, and specialists like Vette definitely also have their place alongside fighters like Torian.
You're absolutely right that specialists have their place in war, but imo it's not the front lines.Theron is also a specialist but rather than charge into the fray he did what he's best equipped to do: infiltration and sabotage. Vette had no business being where she was and as my Wrath had not ordered her to the front, he did not believe he was responsible for saving her from her own stupidity. Especially after she said she "almost fell for" Saresh's speech.

He also happens to be Lawful Evil like his player, however, so I neither expect that viewpoint to be popular nor would I ever attempt to argue that it is the right one. It was simply the right one for my Wrath. ^_^

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Swingkittie
12.09.2016 , 05:15 PM | #19
Quote: Originally Posted by Stultophobe View Post
So your complaint is that the story made you upset, not that it was a bad story. Am I right?

Vette is dead. There is no believable way to bring her back.

There's a difference between good storytelling and a story that makes you feel good.
Let's just say I was surprised when that choice popped up before me. I knew whoever I chose first would be saved. However, I had a glimmer of hope when Vaylin tossed Vette toward my character that she would be saved, then she snapped her neck....

I would have liked to see instead a choice come up before Vaylin does that to be - light side: save Vette/Torian, Darkside: Don't save them. Now I understand people would say that everyone would choose light side, but perhaps not. I chose to kill Senya and Arcann when clearly my option could have been to go light side and work with them. I chose to kill Koth instead on my SW but my SI just threatened him. So really in a game of choices matter, should ultimately be up to us not the devs to decide who dies and who doesn't. That's just my opinion on that.

I thought it was a good story even if it was predictable. We get these foreshadowing of events through out KOFTE. Lana is warning us to not trust Valkorian. She has concerns about his control over my character. All her suspicions and reasons were valid.

I do wish we could have turned Vaylin but I guess not everyone can be redeemed right?
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rashencyberspeed
12.09.2016 , 09:39 PM | #20
Quote: Originally Posted by gaelicvixen View Post
You're absolutely right that specialists have their place in war, but imo it's not the front lines.Theron is also a specialist but rather than charge into the fray he did what he's best equipped to do: infiltration and sabotage. Vette had no business being where she was and as my Wrath had not ordered her to the front, he did not believe he was responsible for saving her from her own stupidity. Especially after she said she "almost fell for" Saresh's speech.

He also happens to be Lawful Evil like his player, however, so I neither expect that viewpoint to be popular nor would I ever attempt to argue that it is the right one. It was simply the right one for my Wrath. ^_^
So you'd rather deal with those guns she took out? C'mon, she's more talented and is doing more than you're giving her credit for. And Oddessen was attacked before you arrived. She's really supposed to just wait around and do nothing before you specifically TELL her to do something?

I'm sorry, but nothing in your argument is fair. Pragmatically or sentimentally.