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Rage Jugg or Fury Mara

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Rage Jugg or Fury Mara

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BonnerFett
06.26.2016 , 10:05 AM | #1
I have a Rage Jugg and a Fury Mara.

I'm trying to decide which one I'm going to main for PVP. I will be doing solo ranked with the occasional team ranked. I kind of feel like the Jugg can do as much damage (espically burst) as the Mara. The Mara has the CC immunity which is nice...

Having a hard time deciding....Need help and opinions.

Thanks in advance!

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DerSchneider
06.26.2016 , 11:09 AM | #2
Quote: Originally Posted by BonnerFett View Post
I have a Rage Jugg and a Fury Mara.

I'm trying to decide which one I'm going to main for PVP. I will be doing solo ranked with the occasional team ranked. I kind of feel like the Jugg can do as much damage (espically burst) as the Mara. The Mara has the CC immunity which is nice...

Having a hard time deciding....Need help and opinions.

Thanks in advance!
Fury mara. Just... take it.
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Romeugues
06.26.2016 , 11:18 AM | #3
Carnage Mara

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MackPol
06.27.2016 , 05:47 AM | #4
Mara seems to perform better in ranked so if that is your focus Mara might be a better choice. Also utility is I think better.
Jugg is Regs king

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BonnerFett
06.27.2016 , 12:11 PM | #5
Quote: Originally Posted by MackPol View Post
Mara seems to perform better in ranked so if that is your focus Mara might be a better choice. Also utility is I think better.
Jugg is Regs king

This seems to sum things up pretty well.

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foxmob
06.27.2016 , 01:44 PM | #6
if you spend most of your pvp in regs and pug, then jugg for sure.

if you want to do ranked, especially team ranked, or you have friends that you normally grp with for regs, then any of the maras.

last thing to consider: juggs are more versatile. you can dps and tank. all you have to do is respec. so...it keeps your options open in a way that mara doesn't.
Krackerjack/Deinon/Antiphon
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LadyDarkkitten
06.27.2016 , 03:48 PM | #7
For the love of your sanity don't try solo ranked as a rage jug. It won't end well for you. You are the number one kill target and will be focused down out of the gate. If you insist on trying, you will find popping a wz adrenal right at the start as eveyone opens up will let you survive the first 4 secs of the opening stun on you while everyones relics are proccing. You can't CC break this because as that stun ends/you break your going to be white barred with another 4 secs. You WON'T survive that and you have to CC break so you can get saber ward up. Remember it doesn't work when your stunned! you can't pre pop it. You have to wait until they white bar you. That will give you some breathing room, but your going to be very low on health, mad dash out force charge a sorc then force push>> force charge again to get some room. Use int roar and then your grenade. Your entire purpose of being at this point is a desperate attempt to stay alive longer then your teams kill target so that they can have a 3v3.

If you and they are successful or not, expect lots of /w abuse, appeals not to queue again, accusations on fleet that your match throwing and people pointing arbitrary numbers like "lol 993 dps" (when you died in an opening 8 sec stunlock) as they troll you to see if they can generate frustrated tears from you. All the while you will be able to dwell on the fact that none of your "pro" teammates bothered to off heal you, use a taunt to help you or attempt to CC the people attacking you. They were mongo tunneling their kill target, but damage numbers don't lie! they did 300k you managed 50k. You were so carried bruh! please stop queueing and uninstall.

On a diff subject, I struggle with maras. Anni is to complicated for me and I don't have the reaction speed to make carnage work so the rotation falls apart on me alot. I can do rage though! is fury same as rage for damage rotation? whats different? how do they both feel to you? similar? same feel to them? or different?
Quote: Originally Posted by NathanielStarr
Here is my argument. The PvP is so good and balanced the game has to go free to play if it hopes to survive. More than 2/3rds of the player base left because PvP is too good. It's so good and balanced that no one wants to play it.

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foxmob
06.27.2016 , 04:11 PM | #8
Quote: Originally Posted by LadyDarkkitten View Post
For the love of your sanity don't try solo ranked as a rage jug. It won't end well for you. You are the number one kill target and will be focused down out of the gate. If you insist on trying, you will find popping a wz adrenal right at the start as eveyone opens up will let you survive the first 4 secs of the opening stun on you while everyones relics are proccing. You can't CC break this because as that stun ends/you break your going to be white barred with another 4 secs. You WON'T survive that and you have to CC break so you can get saber ward up. Remember it doesn't work when your stunned! you can't pre pop it. You have to wait until they white bar you. That will give you some breathing room, but your going to be very low on health, mad dash out force charge a sorc then force push>> force charge again to get some room. Use int roar and then your grenade. Your entire purpose of being at this point is a desperate attempt to stay alive longer then your teams kill target so that they can have a 3v3.

If you and they are successful or not, expect lots of /w abuse, appeals not to queue again, accusations on fleet that your match throwing and people pointing arbitrary numbers like "lol 993 dps" (when you died in an opening 8 sec stunlock) as they troll you to see if they can generate frustrated tears from you. All the while you will be able to dwell on the fact that none of your "pro" teammates bothered to off heal you, use a taunt to help you or attempt to CC the people attacking you. They were mongo tunneling their kill target, but damage numbers don't lie! they did 300k you managed 50k. You were so carried bruh! please stop queueing and uninstall.
ranked players tend to get overly "salty," but if you're dying quickly as a jugg in yolo, you really are doing it wrong. 1) you're vengeance, I hope. 2) ED works while stunned. 3) veng is immune to everything after leap, and juggs can create their own leap (if need be) with push. use enure as a root immunity in between (poor man's HO). shouldn't need to fall back on saber ward for a while there.

there are two schools of thought for focus target: kill the best player quickly b/c he's going to do the most dmg to you (this is usually something like kid'icarus b/c even if you don't blow him up, you can force him off the board while he combat stealths away. rahc is another example of this. he will often be killed first even though he'll outlast most PTs, you really need to get his dps off the board asap.

but the opposite strat is also very common: kill the weakest link. weakest link can be defined by spec or player. if you're going by spec, then veng is far from the first you want to focus. rage can be. usually, however, it's a merc or a PT b/c they have the worst dcds and have nothing to force a hard swap (ala stealth, barrier or reflect). so if you're getting focused first out of the gate on a jugg, look around. are there any mercs, PTs or snipers? are there other jugg dps on your team? if the answer is yes to either of those questions, then being focused first probably has nothing to do with your class/spec.

:2cents:

edit: also, please say nothing in reply but screenshot the whispers. report them. upload screenies on imagur. send link in ticket. usually gets them banned for a couple days. usually shuts them up.
Krackerjack/Deinon/Antiphon
JC -- Harb -- TEH

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LadyDarkkitten
06.27.2016 , 04:32 PM | #9
In my 12(?) games I never saw a merc and only saw 1 apt. Funny enough that game he was the target not me. He told me off for skank tanking insisted I not guard him, so I intervened onto him when the 2 mars lept on him and threat screamed. Then I used a grenade. It didnt save him and then they started on me. That apt lasted about 7 gcds in both rounds. I'm pretty sure its the rage spec thats the problem, its just not got the tools to handle massive incoming burst from 3-4 people while its CC'D. The fact mercs and apts suffer the same problem doesn't stop it being a class balance failure with the current pvp meta bioware created by making healers godmode and burst damge so high to counter the "lol I heal to full with 3 buttons".
Quote: Originally Posted by NathanielStarr
Here is my argument. The PvP is so good and balanced the game has to go free to play if it hopes to survive. More than 2/3rds of the player base left because PvP is too good. It's so good and balanced that no one wants to play it.

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DerSchneider
06.27.2016 , 04:57 PM | #10
Quote: Originally Posted by foxmob View Post
ranked players tend to get overly "salty," but if you're dying quickly as a jugg in yolo, you really are doing it wrong. 1) you're vengeance, I hope. 2) ED works while stunned. 3) veng is immune to everything after leap, and juggs can create their own leap (if need be) with push. use enure as a root immunity in between (poor man's HO). shouldn't need to fall back on saber ward for a while there.

there are two schools of thought for focus target: kill the best player quickly b/c he's going to do the most dmg to you (this is usually something like kid'icarus b/c even if you don't blow him up, you can force him off the board while he combat stealths away. rahc is another example of this. he will often be killed first even though he'll outlast most PTs, you really need to get his dps off the board asap.

but the opposite strat is also very common: kill the weakest link. weakest link can be defined by spec or player. if you're going by spec, then veng is far from the first you want to focus. rage can be. usually, however, it's a merc or a PT b/c they have the worst dcds and have nothing to force a hard swap (ala stealth, barrier or reflect). so if you're getting focused first out of the gate on a jugg, look around. are there any mercs, PTs or snipers? are there other jugg dps on your team? if the answer is yes to either of those questions, then being focused first probably has nothing to do with your class/spec.

:2cents:

edit: also, please say nothing in reply but screenshot the whispers. report them. upload screenies on imagur. send link in ticket. usually gets them banned for a couple days. usually shuts them up.
LadyDarkkitten actually has a point. There are simply no PT and merc DPS in ranked. Snipers are rarity and getting obliterated by scoundrels/sentinels/dot cancer. Same for juggs, they just live a bit longer, while being more useless. To win as a jugg you need to have strong carry or clueless enemy team.
Reflect doesn't actually work against bunch of attacks, such as volatile substance or explosive probe. Same thing for saber ward, stunning you makes defense chance turn to 0, leaving you with poor 25% yellow damage redux.
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