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Legacy names -- allow us to change them

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ELECTRICJUDGMENT
01.25.2012 , 01:10 PM | #661
Quote: Originally Posted by Graym_Inz-Tyr View Post
Indeed, not to mention that, as far as I recall, Leia never went by Skywalker anyway. It was Leia Organa or Leia Organa Solo. Not to mention Anakin Skywalker was called Darth Vader for much of his life. With the legacy system the way it is we can't even properly emulate the family the example they used to describe what the legacy system was for.

I would completely and totally fine with the legacy system if it wasn't linked to surnames. A unique legacy name is fine. It could even be a character's surname if you wanted, but there's no reason all my characters should be forced to either share the same surname or have none.

Assuming they disconnect surnames with legacy names I'd also prefer if surnames didn't have to be unique. A unique first name and legacy name is enough. Leave surname open to any choice you feel like (Barring appropriate restrictions to offensive ones)

I'm not even sure my chosen legacy name will work either. I want Inz-Tyr, like my username, but I've heard it will lowercase all but the first letter. Which - if true - is pretty annoying, considering it's standard practice with hyphenated surnames to have capital letters for each part.
Dude, I said Leia and Jacen Solo, NOT Skywalker. You do know that Leia married Han Solo, right? Her name became Leia Organa SOLO. They had force-sensitive children, one of which was Jacen SOLO. Also, Darth Vader is a title given to Anakin SKYWALKER as a Sith. Vader is a title, not his surname. The surnames should remain unique and linked to the legacy, otherwise neither has any meaning, and for the people that do actually like their legacy name don't want some random anyone on the server representing them. If you don't like your legacy name, don't use it, but just because some individuals effed up their legacy name doesn't mean BW is gonna spoil it for everyone else that actually gets the whole purpose of having a legacy and being linked to a surname.

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Drakonnen
01.25.2012 , 01:21 PM | #662
Quote: Originally Posted by ELECTRICJUDGMENT View Post
Dude, I said Leia and Jacen Solo, NOT Skywalker. You do know that Leia married Han Solo, right? Her name became Leia Organa SOLO. They had force-sensitive children, one of which was Jacen SOLO. Also, Darth Vader is a title given to Anakin SKYWALKER as a Sith. Vader is a title, not his surname. The surnames should remain unique and linked to the legacy, otherwise neither has any meaning, and for the people that do actually like their legacy name don't want some random anyone on the server representing them. If you don't like your legacy name, don't use it, but just because some individuals effed up their legacy name doesn't mean BW is gonna spoil it for everyone else that actually gets the whole purpose of having a legacy and being linked to a surname.
So what you're saying is, even though Jacen and Leia are the respective grand child and child of Anakin Skywalker, they shouldn't be part of the same Legacy because they have different last names?

That explanation is ridiculous. It's the same family tree, yet the whole process discounts the fact that people in the same family tree have last names. Or, in the alternative, it's completely ignoring the fact that all these characters are NOT part of the same family tree given the species difference and contemporary time people for them all.
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Graym_Inz-Tyr
01.25.2012 , 01:34 PM | #663
Quote: Originally Posted by ELECTRICJUDGMENT View Post
Dude, I said Leia and Jacen Solo, NOT Skywalker. You do know that Leia married Han Solo, right? Her name became Leia Organa SOLO. They had force-sensitive children, one of which was Jacen SOLO. Also, Darth Vader is a title given to Anakin SKYWALKER as a Sith. Vader is a title, not his surname. The surnames should remain unique and linked to the legacy, otherwise neither has any meaning, and for the people that do actually like their legacy name don't want some random anyone on the server representing them. If you don't like your legacy name, don't use it, but just because some individuals effed up their legacy name doesn't mean BW is gonna spoil it for everyone else that actually gets the whole purpose of having a legacy and being linked to a surname.
I know Leia married Han Solo. Thus why I said she called herself Leia Organa Solo. However, if Star Wars operated by Legacy System rules, the registrar would have told her "Sorry, ma'am, but your father was the first person to complete Chapter 1, so you can't have a last name unless it's Skywalker. Maybe you could go out and marry someone else named Skywalker if you want a last name." Also Vader may have been Anakin Skywalker, but he also didn't use that name for much of his life. Same with pretty much anyone who has the Darth title. Lore-wise, it's not the thing to do to have him use his family name. But with Legacy, that's your only choice.

It's pretty bad for RP, and that's not counting the fact that cross-species naming conventions are very different. Chiss, for example, have names like Mitth'raw'nuruodo. I suppose you could say your chiss was adopted by the family of your human chars, but then that's going to be the background for a significant number of chiss in the SWTOR universe - which would be a rare occurence, lore-wise.

I don't care if the Legacy name is unique, but there's no reason for surnames to be. Surnames aren't unique in real life, so why in game? Unique surnames are ofen less common in SW. For example - in chiss society, Nuruodo is the House responsible for military and foreign affairs within the Chiss ascendancy. A LOT of chiss have that name.

As for "Some random anyone" representing you, that is why I can deal with Legacy names being unique. If someone has the same surname as your legacy name in the system I propose, then there is little risk that reasonable people will consider your reputation sullied considering the perfectly reasonable explanation that surnames aren't necessarily legacy names. If you wish to hang around with unreasonable people, you have my condolences.

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gregordunbar
01.25.2012 , 01:44 PM | #664
I can safely say that the Legacy system in this game is one of the single worst implemented ideas in Roleplaying game history.

Notice I said implemented, not the idea itself.

The idea, is fine. the implementation of forcing the same legacy onto all characters on the same server no matter the race is smacktarded in the worst way and the coming family tree is going to make it worse.

Hi, meet Jalla'sin the twi'lek who has the same name and is in the same family as George the human, Zipperhead the Cyborg, Vagaari the Chiss and Gruash the Sith. What can I say, my family will bang anyone, anywhere...anytime. I believe his name was Kirk, a captain.

Yeah...about the only way you can roleplay the idiotic idea of tying all the races into the same family tree for those leet skills.

They can bring in the system without having to tie all characters together in such a way, call it a...friends tree and open up surnames to being different for each character, its pure LAZYNESS to force it for all of them.

Make it so they are not unique so names dont run out...the only thing that needs to be unique is the characters first name.

Can anyone actually be AGAINST the idea of freeing up the surnames?!?

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ELECTRICJUDGMENT
01.25.2012 , 01:59 PM | #665
Quote: Originally Posted by Graym_Inz-Tyr View Post
I know Leia married Han Solo. Thus why I said she called herself Leia Organa Solo. However, if Star Wars operated by Legacy System rules, the registrar would have told her "Sorry, ma'am, but your father was the first person to complete Chapter 1, so you can't have a last name unless it's Skywalker. Maybe you could go out and marry someone else named Skywalker if you want a last name." Also Vader may have been Anakin Skywalker, but he also didn't use that name for much of his life. Same with pretty much anyone who has the Darth title. Lore-wise, it's not the thing to do to have him use his family name. But with Legacy, that's your only choice.

It's pretty bad for RP, and that's not counting the fact that cross-species naming conventions are very different. Chiss, for example, have names like Mitth'raw'nuruodo. I suppose you could say your chiss was adopted by the family of your human chars, but then that's going to be the background for a significant number of chiss in the SWTOR universe - which would be a rare occurence, lore-wise.

I don't care if the Legacy name is unique, but there's no reason for surnames to be. Surnames aren't unique in real life, so why in game? Unique surnames are ofen less common in SW. For example - in chiss society, Nuruodo is the House responsible for military and foreign affairs within the Chiss ascendancy. A LOT of chiss have that name.

As for "Some random anyone" representing you, that is why I can deal with Legacy names being unique. If someone has the same surname as your legacy name in the system I propose, then there is little risk that reasonable people will consider your reputation sullied considering the perfectly reasonable explanation that surnames aren't necessarily legacy names. If you wish to hang around with unreasonable people, you have my condolences.
The purpose of a singular unique legacy/surname across all characters is to extend bonus attributes to those characters. If several players could use the same legacy name, it would completely negate those bonuses. By your logic, neither are first names, so I guess that means you won't mind if there's 10 "Graym_Inz-Tyr" on the server, right? Bull. If you think it's bad for RP, don't display it. Open up the character panel and disable it. I happen to think it's great for RP, but then again realistically I don't have a thousand hours to spare leveling 8 different characters from several different species and demand they all have different legacy names because I have no life.

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Drakonnen
01.25.2012 , 03:22 PM | #666
Quote: Originally Posted by ELECTRICJUDGMENT View Post
The purpose of a singular unique legacy/surname across all characters is to extend bonus attributes to those characters. If several players could use the same legacy name, it would completely negate those bonuses. By your logic, neither are first names, so I guess that means you won't mind if there's 10 "Graym_Inz-Tyr" on the server, right? Bull. If you think it's bad for RP, don't display it. Open up the character panel and disable it. I happen to think it's great for RP, but then again realistically I don't have a thousand hours to spare leveling 8 different characters from several different species and demand they all have different legacy names because I have no life.
Obviously someone doesn't understand.

You don't NEED a legacy name to extend those bonuses because those bonuses could already be linked through your unique account name.

No one is suggesting anyone be able to use someone's legacy name for the bonuses, just that surnames be separated from the legacy system entirely.

Congratulations for you if you play 1 out of 8 unique stories of a game. That's really a good use of it. But if you play the game long term, chances are, you're going to want some variety.
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ELECTRICJUDGMENT
01.25.2012 , 05:00 PM | #667
Quote: Originally Posted by Drakonnen View Post
Obviously someone doesn't understand.

You don't NEED a legacy name to extend those bonuses because those bonuses could already be linked through your unique account name.

No one is suggesting anyone be able to use someone's legacy name for the bonuses, just that surnames be separated from the legacy system entirely.

Congratulations for you if you play 1 out of 8 unique stories of a game. That's really a good use of it. But if you play the game long term, chances are, you're going to want some variety.
Why would they separate the legacy from the surnames? "HEY EVERYBODY, THIS IS THE NEW LEGACY SYSTEM. IT HAS NO REAL PURPOSE AND IS NOT TIED TO A LEGACY NAME BECAUSE WE FELT THE SURNAME WAS BETTER HAVING NO VALUE OR MEANING WHATSOEVER AND THEREFORE BEING WORTHLESS, AND POINTS WERE BETTER JUST BEING ARBITRARILY EARNED FOR EVERY CHARACTER ON YOUR ACCOUNT, WHILE NOT TIED TO A LEGACY WHICH CANNOT BE NAMED"

The surname IS the legacy. If you don't like "smith" being shown for your Twi'lek character, DISABLE IT. You are failing to realize that the whole legacy system is a BONUS, an extra given to us by the devs. YOU HAVE A CHOICE, and you are not entitled a last name for your characters AT ALL!

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Drakonnen
01.25.2012 , 06:39 PM | #668
Quote: Originally Posted by ELECTRICJUDGMENT View Post
Why would they separate the legacy from the surnames? "HEY EVERYBODY, THIS IS THE NEW LEGACY SYSTEM. IT HAS NO REAL PURPOSE AND IS NOT TIED TO A LEGACY NAME BECAUSE WE FELT THE SURNAME WAS BETTER HAVING NO VALUE OR MEANING WHATSOEVER AND THEREFORE BEING WORTHLESS, AND POINTS WERE BETTER JUST BEING ARBITRARILY EARNED FOR EVERY CHARACTER ON YOUR ACCOUNT, WHILE NOT TIED TO A LEGACY WHICH CANNOT BE NAMED"

The surname IS the legacy. If you don't like "smith" being shown for your Twi'lek character, DISABLE IT. You are failing to realize that the whole legacy system is a BONUS, an extra given to us by the devs. YOU HAVE A CHOICE, and you are not entitled a last name for your characters AT ALL!
No, you're failing to realize that a vocal majority can have whatever it wants. We aren't limited to this choice. The majority, has evidenced by the former poll that was 70% in favor of disentangling the surname from the legacy system. Believe it or not companies actually do respond to the wishes of their paying customers.

You can still have a legacy system with the bonuses, without needlessly tying it to the surnames. It would still have a purpose without forcing all characters to use the same last name. Sure it can be disabled, but then it forecloses upon the option for the other characters to have their own unique surnames, and be fully fledged, seperate characters in their own right.

The legacy as a family tree thing is stupid. Plain and simple. It doesn't fit the majority of people's visions for separate characters of varying races.

The legacy system as a bonus for people who have played a while and are leveling alts, to reward long term players and such is a fantastic idea. No one I've seen has argued against that portion of it at all.

Oh wait, but you typed that other paragraph in caps, which must mean your thoughts are more important and you know what you are talking about... lol.
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Lollitort
01.25.2012 , 08:21 PM | #669
Quote: Originally Posted by Dextroverse View Post
I was typing in chat, and brought my skill window up at the same time and ended up entering 3 random letters and then enter. No confirmation box for Legacy Window, along with no checking if the name is taken before you even hit confirm. On top of the fact that it opens every time you zone, open your skills, or log in. They really dropped the ball on this one.
^this. How does bioware cope with things like this? If we were properly warned, sure, whatever. But we weren't.

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AsianRob
01.25.2012 , 08:34 PM | #670
Please BW, if you're reading. You can tell this is a serious problem!