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Roxas_kun
05.14.2016 , 03:35 PM | #1
Is it possible for a <lvl65 PUG to do HM FPs?

Some of the bosses do 1hkos in enrage mode which makes them impossible.

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KendraP
05.14.2016 , 04:03 PM | #2
I'd say it depends on the FP. Something like hammer station is easy enough. Now lost island/blood hunt/etc? Certainly not as easy.

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LudhaninRolgge
05.14.2016 , 04:49 PM | #3
With people know their toon, their role and how to play in general, it should be doable. But I just want to note that even with a full group of 65 gear in 224, enrage would be impossible.
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Roxas_kun
05.15.2016 , 06:16 AM | #4
Well, how do you get around the HM bosses with burst skills? Like HK-47.

I was in HM False Emperor the other day and when he went into enrage mode, his snipe does 65k-70k dmg. How are people suppose to tank thru that sort of damage?

Even if you use defensive utilities, you're still pretty much left near death, which healers have a hard time keeping up with.

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psandak
05.15.2016 , 06:40 AM | #5
Quote: Originally Posted by Roxas_kun View Post
Well, how do you get around the HM bosses with burst skills? Like HK-47.

I was in HM False Emperor the other day and when he went into enrage mode, his snipe does 65k-70k dmg. How are people suppose to tank thru that sort of damage?

Even if you use defensive utilities, you're still pretty much left near death, which healers have a hard time keeping up with.
There are some FPs with some bosses that can be incredibly difficult with characters lower than 65:
  • Lost Island and Blood Hunt are front and center where all the bosses are challenging even when the group is four 65s, so having anyone lower than 65 makes these even more difficult.
  • As you point out, any boss with an enrage timer (they do not all have one) can be tough because without all 65s you cannot beat the enrage (that being said, I have been in a group that beat the enrage of HK-47 with only three - fourth died early and healer did not want to use battle rev (saving it for tank JIC).
  • Any boss with a high damage ability (like HK-47's or Kiran's snipe). If the <65 is targeted by these abilities chances are they are dead.

IMO at some point, the devs need to go through all the FPs and apply some fixes to all FPs - T and HM.
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cxten
05.15.2016 , 07:57 AM | #6
It's certainly possible; you just have to know what you're doing. I typically queue for HM FP's starting at 50 when I'm leveling a class with a tank or healer spec (I do occasionally as dps too, but the queue is long) and only very rarely have a problem where me being underleveled is the issue.

For example, in the pug Battle of Rishi HM where I was tanking at level 50-something a while ago, on the last boss my poor survivability was a bit too much for the otherwise well-geared pug group. [Though I've tanked this boss for guildies with tank + 2 dps under 65 with no issues, but our healer was ace.]

On the other hand, just this week I tanked Lost Island at level 62 in a pug (everyone else was 65, but they all only had 208 gear). We wiped a good amount, but that's what you'd expect from a Lost Island pug, and wasn't all that related to my being underleveled [we'd have wiped a few less times, but most were to people not doing mechanics], and we made it through.

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LudhaninRolgge
05.15.2016 , 12:26 PM | #7
Quote: Originally Posted by Roxas_kun View Post
Well, how do you get around the HM bosses with burst skills? Like HK-47.

I was in HM False Emperor the other day and when he went into enrage mode, his snipe does 65k-70k dmg. How are people suppose to tank thru that sort of damage?

Even if you use defensive utilities, you're still pretty much left near death, which healers have a hard time keeping up with.
You're not supposed to make it through enrage. Enrage means you're bad and should learn how to play your class and pratice your rotation (or are really really undergearded, which is almost not really a thing because of bolster). I'm not targeting you specifically, but you get the idea. Enrage is a very punishing mode that force you to bring a regular composition (ie. not 1 tank and 3 heals for exemple) to beat the boss. Some are manageable because of the bad level of dificulty (Soa HM for example), but most of them are not survivable for a long time.
And if you think an enrage that deals 65-70k damage per hit is hard, wait till you do harder content than HM FP ^^
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Nkya
05.15.2016 , 03:52 PM | #8
Whan on low health, HK attempts to assassinate random players. As far as I know, there is nothing else to do than heal over the damages and burst damage to finish it quick/

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Roxas_kun
05.16.2016 , 08:20 AM | #9
Quote: Originally Posted by LudhaninRolgge View Post
You're not supposed to make it through enrage. Enrage means you're bad and should learn how to play your class and pratice your rotation (or are really really undergearded, which is almost not really a thing because of bolster). I'm not targeting you specifically, but you get the idea. Enrage is a very punishing mode that force you to bring a regular composition (ie. not 1 tank and 3 heals for exemple) to beat the boss. Some are manageable because of the bad level of dificulty (Soa HM for example), but most of them are not survivable for a long time.
And if you think an enrage that deals 65-70k damage per hit is hard, wait till you do harder content than HM FP ^^
A HM FP guarantees the holy trinity of RPGs, so there's no issue of party make-up.

It used to be that the main bosses were more straightforward and only required tank-and-spank. Real challenge came from bonus bosses.

If enrage mode is meant as a gear/dps check, how will bolster help? You will hardly ever find a lvl50 optimally geared for HM.

Please show me a PUG of 50s clearing a HM False Emperor or HM Maelstrom Prison.

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Gyronamics
05.16.2016 , 10:19 AM | #10
Quote: Originally Posted by Roxas_kun View Post
A HM FP guarantees the holy trinity of RPGs, so there's no issue of party make-up.

It used to be that the main bosses were more straightforward and only required tank-and-spank. Real challenge came from bonus bosses.

If enrage mode is meant as a gear/dps check, how will bolster help? You will hardly ever find a lvl50 optimally geared for HM.

Please show me a PUG of 50s clearing a HM False Emperor or HM Maelstrom Prison.
You realise that's exactly what we used to do when the level cap was 50,
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