Are ops/raids outdated?

Thank you.

So, correct me if I'm wrong, but you like the idea of an operation that used to be difficult and you had a hard time defeating it in the past when it was at level, but are later on able to defeat the operation due to having outgeared and/or outleveled it?

Is that correct?

And I hate to run the same old ones for years with such effort.

Fair enough.

But don't you think it would be more fair to the "collective group of people playing operations" to wait until their ARE actually new operations BEFORE asking for a nerf of the old ones?

Fair enough.

But don't you think it would be more fair to the "collective group of people playing operations" to wait until their ARE actually new operations BEFORE asking for a nerf of the old ones?

This is the same guy complaining there were too many instakill mechanics in the 3.0 incarnations of nightmare way back when. Don't waste time arguing

I prefer there to be options, for people to choose the level of the ops at 65 or their original ones.

This is a problem for now. The top gears aren't that meaningful since there is no new raid content coming out.

For gear and some possible decor/mount, simple.

They should ask for new ops.

These people are not running HM EV/KP for difficulty, but for the top gear.

It pleases one certain group surely.

The tank ability of their class plus the gear.

I pretty much agree. I think in addition to having a better reward vs. effort ratio, it opens up previous-tier NM content to a pool of players that really doesn't have a whole lot to do right now. I know for a lot of people, they were having fun pre 4.0 working through that content. Today, they simply have no chance at it.

While NM content is clearly only consumed by a small % of raid teams at-level, that number climbs after one level increase, and again after 2. It lengthens the content cycle for everyone except the top "1%" and that's a healthy thing for the game.

The attraction to most people that are one step past the SM GF / HM EV&KP level is not gear, but simply trying to get the next boss down. Right now, that group has nothing to do.

SM is not "too hard", just "boring to do since it's really really old and we still have to form a full group, grab enough roles and endure the waiting/drama". It might be ok years ago but it's too old now. Both the content and the way of raid is a bit too old. See the problem?

Most of the people are running it for gears.

No, my point is: "I want to run the VERY OLD ops that doesn't have strict group requirement and that much effort".