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Player Review: Now That "The Shiny" has Worn Off

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Player Review: Now That "The Shiny" has Worn Off

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Proto
12.26.2011 , 11:39 AM | #1
My experience in this game has been a level 50 jugg and just a myriad of other lower level everything (and 4 months in beta). Okay, first thing we see in the game (and this is a major blah for me) - The Character Creation. It is absolutely dreadful. Obviously its not on the level of suckiness that you see in your average F 2 P Korean Grindfest (but not by alot) especially if you've played any Bioware game in the past. There are only 4 body types for men, and they are each varying degrees of awful to meh. There's Shape 1: which is Justin Beiber (and what is used for "kids") Shape 2: which is your average Bruce Lee build, then there's Shape 3: which is Big McLarge-Huge, and Shape 4: which is Lord Lard ***. Shape 4 is absolutely awful, and for Sith Warriors, is the shape of your Master, which, if you look at his Wiki, is not how he should look at all. It makes no sense.

The races are...well...everything is just "Human-like". Obviously this was done for cutscenes and voices (i.e. - no wookie would talk like your character) but there are still races like Togruta or Nautolan that would be fine but are not in. Chiss are pretty sweet however. There is no long hair to be seen in Char creation - at best you have hair that goes down to your chin. I guess this is because it would be too graphically intensive (boggled)? Complexions and scars aren't so bad, its just a shame you can't stack them. And yes, no sliders still, so you have to choose predetermined faces. For a game where you spend alot of time looking at your character in cut-scenes...the amount of corner-cutting in CC is disappointing. It should have been one of the top five priorities. The number of unique models in this game from chars to NPCs is also staggeringly low.

The graphics were no doubt simplified to accommodate as many systems as possible, like World of Warcraft, and I understand that. But if that is the case then why does the game for me and so many others run like absolute crap? I understand its an MMO but this is just inexcusable. Where the heck are the decent textures, too?

Okay, gameplay. Know World of Warcraft? Good news, you already know how to play 85% of the game! Played KOTOR only? Bad news, there is basically nothing from KOTOR in this that warrants mention. Its your standard MMO affair; Tanks, Heals, DPS, Burst Damage, DOT, taunts, rotations, etc. If you're used to MMOs then you're in luck because it does that pretty well. Although, tanking as my Jedi Guardian has been a fittingly in-character practice in testing my patience. You dont get your first taunt until 15 and it has a long cool down. Your robot companion tanks better than you in some cases. The gameplay is the same tired, WoW gameplay but with a combat delay which makes it worse, and the game suffers big time for it.

The missions are the biggest flaw in this game. Every quest is a variation of "Go here, kill stuff along the way for bonus maybe, kill boss or interact with object" or "Collect 5 blah blah blah" with varying degrees of logic in their drops. It seemingly has all the flavor in the world, (which does help a little), but still doesn't change the fact that is essentially how every quest is designed. But maybe that is nit picking? Your choices in quests rarely matter at all. Story is this game's real saving grace, and why it goes from "Mediocre MMO" to "has-potential MMO." Imperial Agent's story was a freaking blast, but after you finish all the storylines, if you even do that... what is next? Endgame in this game is pretty much non-existent. One or two mediocre raids... And yes, Bioware continues the proud tradition of Dark Side = Stupid Evil Jerk. I was hoping DS Jedi Knight would mean "Emotional and Prideful" but nope, just "AHAHA LOOK HOW EVIL I AM FOR NO REASON".

Another issue is every faction goes through the same planet order. Your Bounty Hunter and Sith Warrior's planets after the first one will be the exact same experience as will the quests - save for your personal class quests. This will make replay value for someone like me who can't stand doing the same thing again very difficult beyond level 10 when it all meshes together. Also this makes the whole "KOTOR 3-11" claim by BioWare a total farce in my eyes. Class storylines are only 20% of the game. Everyone shares about 80% and one of the best features I would list were removed.. Your armor could be matched to the color of whatever your chest piece was, avoiding clown armor. They removed that...The robust and complex nature of the crafting system we saw in beta? Gutted completely.. removed for simplicity to appease the least common denominator.

All in all ,the story of this game is pretty good and had me hooked for the first 2 weeks. Sadly, the gameplay made it where it was a chore. I was FORCING MYSELF THROUGH GAMEPLAY for the story. That's unacceptable for an MMO where gameplay should always be important. Maybe this game will improve in the future, but for now, this game is just another WoW clone (in space) with kinda cool cut scenes - and with a lot less real content.

The painful UI issues...
Cant search the AH, bad UI with no customization, search filtering doesn't work on menus, no dual spec, and respec is EXPENSIVE. There are just so many features you should expect but are missing. It attempts to be like WoW, without the things that made WoW popular. It just has neat storylines but that is all it brings to the table. I'm terribly upset that the reply value and long-term hook does not seem to be in place at all. This means 30 to 60 days and a lot will lose interest.

I understand that many will not like this review but you need to look at this "without" being subjective. I'm saying that for the dollars and time that have been spent on this game it does not come close to the graphics of AOC (unless you had a terrible PC and couldn't see its full beauty), the smooth gameplay of WOW, the out-of-box UI options of RIFT, the customization of WOWs UI, the innovation of EVE, the PVP of Shadowbane, UO, or DAOC, and the story of LOTRO. SWTOR so far is just missing something profound from all of these dimensions besides class storylines.

Edited some but agree with nearly 100% of http://www.metacritic.com/user/Thorn14 from MetaCritic review.

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Theodwulf
12.26.2011 , 11:46 AM | #2
Interesting read... Haven't even tried Imp side of things

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nesphus
12.26.2011 , 11:50 AM | #3
I would write my own review but it would look so much like this one its not funny

bw dev better get there act together if they are going to get people to keep paying subs.

I suspect the ave mmo player will be done with leveling within the free 30 daqys if not def after the first sub month so the big question is what is there to keep mmo players after that.

currently nothing exists to keep a player playing after playing through the storyline once imo

there is sio much atm missing that is considered bare minimum standard in MMO's

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JoxerNL
12.26.2011 , 11:56 AM | #4
I always find it funny how people compare **** to WoW, while WoW is a amalgamation of every single other MMO that was out there.
Rogue mechanics? stolen from DaoC
Questing Mechanics? AC
Mage Mechanics etc etc EQ.

I can go on and on and on, but this kinda debunks least one of your points about the tiredsome same ol same ol MMO gameplay.
This has been tested and tried since 1994 for MMO's (Neverwinter Nights, no not the Bioware one), that your own experience doesn't go back that far means that a little research would have done your review alot of extra good.

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GraunKrynn
12.26.2011 , 12:03 PM | #5
Cool story bro.

Can I have your stuff?

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NorthHItman
12.26.2011 , 12:10 PM | #6
sucks for you I love this game.
Anonyminity makes me strong.

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Boesmith
12.26.2011 , 12:13 PM | #7
Quote: Originally Posted by JoxerNL View Post
I always find it funny how people compare **** to WoW, while WoW is a amalgamation of every single other MMO that was out there.
Rogue mechanics? stolen from DaoC
Questing Mechanics? AC
Mage Mechanics etc etc EQ.

I can go on and on and on, but this kinda debunks least one of your points about the tiredsome same ol same ol MMO gameplay.
This has been tested and tried since 1994 for MMO's (Neverwinter Nights, no not the Bioware one), that your own experience doesn't go back that far means that a little research would have done your review alot of extra good.
Because it's number 1. Hard to understand?
SW:ToR needs so much fixes that they can make an expansion out of it. <Jedi guardian - chuundar>

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Selvetarm
12.26.2011 , 12:15 PM | #8
Quote: Originally Posted by GraunKrynn View Post
Cool story bro.

Can I have your stuff?
xD this!

btw, i do agree with the op for 1 thing only: the delay. the rest, imho, it's pretty useless, because..well, as simple as that, since you say that it's nothing new from other mmo's, i would like to know how would you do a "next gen" mmo. because tbh i can't see an mmo different then this one

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Hordaur
12.26.2011 , 12:22 PM | #9
Quote: Originally Posted by Proto View Post
I understand that many will not like this review but you need to look at this without being subjective. I'm saying that for $100,000,000+ dollars that has been spent on this game it does not come close to the graphics of AOC, the gameplay of WOW, the UI of RIFT, the customization of WOWs UI, the innovation of EVE, the PVP of Shadowbane or DAOC, and the story of LOTRO.

I will say the graphics in this game are 150% better than AoC. AoC was a piece of s*** game.

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Boesmith
12.26.2011 , 12:24 PM | #10
Quote: Originally Posted by Hordaur View Post
I will say the graphics in this game are 150% better than AoC. AoC was a piece of s*** game.
You sir are truly kidding yourself! LMAO!

Guise, my pinto is faster than a Ferrari heheh
SW:ToR needs so much fixes that they can make an expansion out of it. <Jedi guardian - chuundar>