DarthThuzad Posted February 10, 2016 Share Posted February 10, 2016 (edited) Why wasn't my Dark V sorc, who wants nothing less than revenge against Zakuul, allowed to kill Koth where he stood the second he threatened to leave the alliance post-Kaliyo? She's tolerated his nonsense for the first couple of chapters long enough, but just as Firebrand was the last straw for Koth, his insolence should've been the last straw. Instead, she had to let him escape and potentially threaten the alliance. Edited March 24, 2016 by DarthThuzad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadDutchman Posted February 10, 2016 Share Posted February 10, 2016 Why wasn't my Dark V sorc, who wants nothing more than revenge against Zakuul, allowed to kill Koth where he stood the second he threatened to leave the alliance post-Kaliyo? She's tolerated his nonsense for the first 9 chapters long enough, but just as Firebrand was the last straw for Koth, his insolence should've been the last straw. Instead, she had to let him escape and potentially threaten the alliance. You were kinda busy at the time, and you can threaten to kill him while he's leaving. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthThuzad Posted February 10, 2016 Author Share Posted February 10, 2016 You were kinda busy at the time, and you can threaten to kill him while he's leaving. Yep, she did threaten to kill him. Of course, wasn't as satisfying as killing him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DAWUSS Posted February 10, 2016 Share Posted February 10, 2016 Don't be surprised if you have Lana begging for leniency when dealing with him, if that e-mail is any indication. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nicholestar Posted February 10, 2016 Share Posted February 10, 2016 I'm curious, did it seem like his leaving was due to a culmination of you making multiple choices he didn't agree with (i.e. "this is the last straw!" kind of thing), or did it seem like he will just automatically leave if you choose to blow everything up, even if it was the only choice you've made that he disagreed with? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthThuzad Posted February 10, 2016 Author Share Posted February 10, 2016 I'm curious, did it seem like his leaving was due to a culmination of you making multiple choices he didn't agree with (i.e. "this is the last straw!" kind of thing), or did it seem like he will just automatically leave if you choose to blow everything up, even if it was the only choice you've made that he disagreed with? I destroyed the reactor (ch 3) and blew up the spire in chapter 10, so I was thinking it was last straw, but some in another thread said that he left when they didn't destroy the reactor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tarackian Posted February 10, 2016 Share Posted February 10, 2016 (edited) I'm just glad he's gone. Koth's hypocrisy has only increased. He fought in Arcann's campaign against the core worlds, but he's all butthurt because you blew up some buildings on Zakuul. And he tried to steal the Gravestone. He should be killed just for that. He's a tool. Edited February 10, 2016 by Tarackian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrianDavion Posted February 10, 2016 Share Posted February 10, 2016 yeah, Senya's not wrong in warning you about him, the impression I get is while he wants arcaan gone he's not really "on our side" in terms of wanting to fight Zakuul. I have a hunch that if someone other then arcaan or vaylin where on the throne, and they where less murder happy, he'd be happy to see Zakuul rule the galaxy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azzarr Posted February 10, 2016 Share Posted February 10, 2016 Wait, so for you he actually left? Unusable as a Companion? I'm playing my Light V Sage and he just tends to approve everything I do, except when I wanted to recruit Kaliyo. If anyone replays it, look at the beginning how the camera pans toward Koth looking disappointed almost the entire scene, he's up to something that's for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DAWUSS Posted February 10, 2016 Share Posted February 10, 2016 Wait, so for you he actually left? Unusable as a Companion? Correct. He now joins the list of Darth Marr and HK-55 (for me anyway, didn't feel like having him back). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pietrastor Posted February 10, 2016 Share Posted February 10, 2016 I destroyed the reactor (ch 3) and blew up the spire in chapter 10, so I was thinking it was last straw, but some in another thread said that he left when they didn't destroy the reactor.Another person said they destroyed the Spire and Koth still wouldn't leave no matter what. I think his take off is decided by points system and you need more than just 1 very bad decision. Spire/Reactor are obvious, refugees add probably another point to overall "Koth leaves" score Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Collec Posted February 10, 2016 Share Posted February 10, 2016 All I would like to say to BioWare is THANK YOU: This is what I want. Choices that really matter and have impact on story and offer you diverstiy as you further in game. That ending,if you play DS is so sweet in Chapter X. First I was pissed,because I told Koth he is bluffing about leaving alliance,but then ending came and he really left. Dude thought he could ran away with MY Gravestone. nah-uh!!! Awsome job BW: Don't listen to those crybabies,that don't know what choices mean....last thing i want to see in SW:TOR again is someone like Quinn betraying me and me not being able to kill him....or that BS choice about Lana,if she lives (DS) or "dies" (LS) And for anyone ************ about losing comp..we already have more then enough comps atm and if you don't want to lose Koth,play it safe on your alts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasterFrostZero Posted February 10, 2016 Share Posted February 10, 2016 Another person said they destroyed the Spire and Koth still wouldn't leave no matter what. I think his take off is decided by points system and you need more than just 1 very bad decision. Spire/Reactor are obvious, refugees add probably another point to overall "Koth leaves" score Another one is probably whether you trusted him to handle the Heralds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Excise Posted February 11, 2016 Share Posted February 11, 2016 (edited) Pro Koth: - I took in the exiles in the Zakuul swamp - I took him to meet the Heralds of Zildrog and not Senya Anti-Koth: - I didn't save the civilians from the reactor during the escape on Zakuul - I helped Kaliyo destroy the Spire edit: and he left my Alliance. I'm sure there could be other decisions that could affect things, but those are the ones listed in his Interactions tab (actually the tab also says I saved the Spire as well as blew it up but I'm guessing that's a bug). Possible factors: - I didn't romance him - I told him I blew up the Spire for the tactical advantage (he was "disappointed") - I generally tried to convince him that the Emperor was actually a bad dude overall but didn't harsh on him too much over it Edited February 11, 2016 by Excise Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casirabit Posted February 11, 2016 Share Posted February 11, 2016 I would have rather not have Kailyo so I didn't blow up the buildings as I not heartless to killl innocent civilians, so Koth stayed but I was half expecting Kailyo to leave and that would have pleased me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr_Maniac Posted February 11, 2016 Share Posted February 11, 2016 Pro Koth: - I took in the exiles in the Zakuul swamp - I took him to meet the Heralds of Zildrog and not Senya Anti-Koth: - I didn't save the civilians from the reactor during the escape on Zakuul - I helped Kaliyo destroy the Spire edit: and he left my Alliance. I'm sure there could be other decisions that could affect things, but those are the ones listed in his Interactions tab (actually the tab also says I saved the Spire as well as blew it up but I'm guessing that's a bug). Possible factors: - I didn't romance him - I told him I blew up the Spire for the tactical advantage (he was "disappointed") - I generally tried to convince him that the Emperor was actually a bad dude overall but didn't harsh on him too much over it I took these options (well, I told Kaliyo to do it herself rather than the revenge line), and managed to keep him. I did, however, pick the [Lie] option when talking to Koth, and though I didn't get an indication, in the companion window it just says "Koth appreciates your decision to prevent the Spire's destruction" (paraphrased from memory). This could be a bug, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jedi_riches Posted February 11, 2016 Share Posted February 11, 2016 All I would like to say to BioWare is THANK YOU: This is what I want. Choices that really matter and have impact on story and offer you diverstiy as you further in game. I agree, I just wish Bioware had said nothing about choices mattering in chapter 10 I knew what was coming from the begining and since I knew that we would see the consequences at the end I was waiting for him to leave rather than being "shocked" that he left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Excise Posted February 11, 2016 Share Posted February 11, 2016 I took these options (well, I told Kaliyo to do it herself rather than the revenge line), and managed to keep him. I did, however, pick the [Lie] option when talking to Koth, and though I didn't get an indication, in the companion window it just says "Koth appreciates your decision to prevent the Spire's destruction" (paraphrased from memory). This could be a bug, though. Interesting, so you picked the same options as I did except for lying to him and saying it was an accident? I too have the 'Koth appreciates your decision to prevent the Spire's destruction' line in my Interactions window even though he knows darn well that I let it happen, so that's definitely a bug. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JediAkemi Posted February 11, 2016 Share Posted February 11, 2016 Considering the look on his face when I didn't shoot down the idea of meeting Firebrand, I was expecting him to betray me anyway... of course I was also expecting Kaliyo to screw me over. She never tells the whole truth about her plans. Personally, I don't want either of them. I talked her out of the secondary explosions on my Knight, because Jedi are supposed to be better than that. Good to know that on the characters where I would let Kaliyo blow up the Spire, I'll get rid of Koth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrianDavion Posted February 11, 2016 Share Posted February 11, 2016 Considering the look on his face when I didn't shoot down the idea of meeting Firebrand, I was expecting him to betray me anyway... of course I was also expecting Kaliyo to screw me over. She never tells the whole truth about her plans. Personally, I don't want either of them. I talked her out of the secondary explosions on my Knight, because Jedi are supposed to be better than that. Good to know that on the characters where I would let Kaliyo blow up the Spire, I'll get rid of Koth yeah the look on his face was kind of a give away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codedrago Posted February 11, 2016 Share Posted February 11, 2016 I agree, I just wish Bioware had said nothing about choices mattering in chapter 10 I knew what was coming from the begining and since I knew that we would see the consequences at the end I was waiting for him to leave rather than being "shocked" that he left. Especially with Eric (I think) telling us one of the choices in this chapter would have an immediate impact while another would affect us later. Though one question I have is, what was the second choice? I only remember the spire choice... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyrrant Posted February 11, 2016 Share Posted February 11, 2016 On a factual level, I've done the new content three times (...yay cold...): Jedi Knight: Saved the generator, let the refugees on board, didn't follow Kaliyo's plan, Koth stayed (of course). Agent: Let the generator blow up, told the refugees to piss off, basically flipped off Koth every chance he got, blew up Zakuul himself and told Koth the strategic reasons why he did it, and Koth left (of course). Inquisitor: Let the generator explode (I think? Not sure), took in the refugees, flirted like crazy with Koth to the point where she could've romanced him (went with Theron instead), let Kaliyo blow up Zakuul and then lied about the why ("Dude, it was totes an accident, I promise!"), and Koth STAYED. So, it's definitely not as simple as just "Blow up Zakuul, Koth leaves in a hissy fit". If I had to guess, it's about if you admit it to Koth or not, or maybe an accumulation of good/bad points with him? They might've set the threshold a bit low, though... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Excise Posted February 11, 2016 Share Posted February 11, 2016 Looking at the responses so far, it sounds like he leaves if you blew up the spire and admitted that it wasn't an accident. Anyone manage to break this theory yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthThuzad Posted February 11, 2016 Author Share Posted February 11, 2016 Looking at the responses so far, it sounds like he leaves if you blew up the spire and admitted that it wasn't an accident. Anyone manage to break this theory yet? My juggernaut lied about it being an accident and he still left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
light_senshi Posted February 12, 2016 Share Posted February 12, 2016 You were kinda busy at the time, and you can threaten to kill him while he's leaving. Yeah, because Sith can't force choke over holo or across planetary distances... Oh wait, they can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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