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Why was the Outlander so weak before Vaylin and Arcann?

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Why was the Outlander so weak before Vaylin and Arcann?

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Canareth
12.15.2015 , 07:09 PM | #11
Quote: Originally Posted by Rhyltran View Post
Yup. Revan was stronger than Nox as well. Nox, Wrath, Hero, and Barsenthor are all about equal.
Nox is different in that he's all but impossible to kill. Thanaton already tried it twice. One didn't stick and the other - when Nox had reached max power - bounced off. Fully powered and "centered" (not sick, ready to use ghosts) he'd wipe the floor with Arcann. Arcann isn't into Force magic, as Valk brutally demonstrates.

Vaylin is another story. She almost entirely fights with the Force, which she can use naturally per her mother.

Speaking of Senya, I think she's downplaying her own power a lot.

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adormitul
12.15.2015 , 07:54 PM | #12
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Yup. Revan was stronger than Nox as well. Nox, Wrath, Hero, and Barsenthor are all about equal.
Yeah I think few doubt Raven is stronger then any of those 4 but I mean Arcann and Vaylinn are any of those 2 more powerful then Nox and have the same feats?

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Galdos
12.15.2015 , 09:18 PM | #13
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Yeah I think few doubt Raven is stronger then any of those 4 but I mean Arcann and Vaylinn are any of those 2 more powerful then Nox and have the same feats?
Well considering I consider Nox to be the most likely to lose in a fight between the 4 main force users ya.

Do try to realize everyone has different opinions on who is the strongest of the 4 force users.

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adormitul
12.15.2015 , 09:33 PM | #14
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Well considering I consider Nox to be the most likely to lose in a fight between the 4 main force users ya.

Do try to realize everyone has different opinions on who is the strongest of the 4 force users.
Yeah but here is the thing while I do not doubt that his natural force powers are not on the tier of the other 3 with the ghosts and the new body who can take the power of the ghosts he is and above that immortal. I do not get why he did not shrugged the lightsaber in his chest of and continued to fight.

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Slowpokeking
12.15.2015 , 10:03 PM | #15
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Yeah but here is the thing while I do not doubt that his natural force powers are not on the tier of the other 3 with the ghosts and the new body who can take the power of the ghosts he is and above that immortal. I do not get why he did not shrugged the lightsaber in his chest of and continued to fight.
Even without the ghosts, he/she should still be quite powerful.

You can choose to release the ghosts in the end, only 1 will remain if you are Dark Side.

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Rhyltran
12.15.2015 , 10:26 PM | #16
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If he was stronger, why did the Emperor choose us?
More potential? Remember we were in carbonite for years. In that time Arcann, like most force users, would only have grown more powerful. Despite that we were able to put up a fight twice. If we were active in those five years? We would have demolished him.

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Nox is different in that he's all but impossible to kill. Thanaton already tried it twice. One didn't stick and the other - when Nox had reached max power - bounced off. Fully powered and "centered" (not sick, ready to use ghosts) he'd wipe the floor with Arcann. Arcann isn't into Force magic, as Valk brutally demonstrates.

Vaylin is another story. She almost entirely fights with the Force, which she can use naturally per her mother.

Speaking of Senya, I think she's downplaying her own power a lot.
He's not impossible to kill. We haven't seen him decapitated. The first time he was left for dead. The second time he took Thanaton out with him. He's immortal, not invincible, and there are methods in which the ghosts might be exercised.

As for Nox continuing to fight with a lightsaber through his chest? He isn't undead. His body still has to recover. When Thanaton thought he was dead Nox was definitely out of the fight.

To slowpoke even if you play as the Sorcerer we know Arcann is more powerful than us. Valkorion tells us we can't beat him. Period.

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adormitul
12.15.2015 , 10:41 PM | #17
Well the second time he could not support the powers of all the ghosts but it he did survived. The third time he pretty much resisted that deadly attack with the help of the ghosts.

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Jedi_riches
12.16.2015 , 05:11 AM | #18
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Yeah I think few doubt Revan is stronger then any of those 4 but I mean Arcann and Vaylinn are any of those 2 more powerful then Nox and have the same feats?
Well I think Revan was as strong as BW needed him to be in the SOR expansion I don't really think it was a true showing of his power, they needed Revan to be the big bad so he was but come on really he was a strong as potentially 2 jedi masters, and 2 dark council members, I don't think revans power is at Emperor level.

But in terms of KoTFE firstly its more of the same, they just need them to be stronger than our outlander so he is but also I feel one of 2 things:

1) this is many many years before Han Solo and carbonite, perhaps the process is not nearly as refined as it was in the films and that our outlander is still feeling the effects of 5 years frozen.
2) I feel that the emperor is toying with us, it would not surprise me if he was trying to manipulate me into using his powers by slightly surpressing my own to further tempt me into using them.

In terms of Darth Nox, I have not done the expansion yet but has it been clarified as to whether they released their force ghosts or not? while I am sure the inquisitor is strong in their own right, I think that it was only the ghosts that allowed them to beat Thanaton, but that's just my personal opinion on what I have seen so far.
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SteveTheCynic
12.16.2015 , 08:46 AM | #19
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In terms of Darth Nox, I have not done the expansion yet but has it been clarified as to whether they released their force ghosts or not? while I am sure the inquisitor is strong in their own right, I think that it was only the ghosts that allowed them to beat Thanaton, but that's just my personal opinion on what I have seen so far.
Hmm. I can't give you an answer now, because my Nox is only level 53 (and I need to crank her DS to V). An insta-60 SI comes out as a neutral Imperious (go figure) rather than a Nox.

It will be interesting to see how that plays on my Nox - she kept all the ghosts, because she's nasty like that. (But even she took LS points for the Rakata thing on Belsavis.)
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Chaloss
12.16.2015 , 09:41 AM | #20
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Hmm. I can't give you an answer now, because my Nox is only level 53 (and I need to crank her DS to V). An insta-60 SI comes out as a neutral Imperious (go figure) rather than a Nox.

It will be interesting to see how that plays on my Nox - she kept all the ghosts, because she's nasty like that. (But even she took LS points for the Rakata thing on Belsavis.)
Darth Imperius is LS title.

Anyways, story does not change regardless of your alignment of any class as far as I know.