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What is your basis for opposing a group-searching system in SWTOR?

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What is your basis for opposing a group-searching system in SWTOR?

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Carakangaran
12.29.2011 , 05:47 PM | #81
Quote: Originally Posted by Hal_Narcowitz View Post
I'm sorry but you've leveled too fast at launch. It's like getting to the stadium 3 hours before kickoff - it's very empty. But then right before kickoff, there's suddenly 60,000 screaming fans.

Give people some time to catch up, honestly you'll be ok.

To be honest, i believe you're right. But an LFG CHANNEL -and a real one, a real global one- (not tool) would be ideal nonetheless.
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Graburr
12.29.2011 , 06:50 PM | #82
Quote: Originally Posted by Carakangaran View Post
To be honest, i believe you're right. But an LFG CHANNEL -and a real one, a real global one- (not tool) would be ideal nonetheless.
maybe your server has a custom lfg-channel, at least that's the way we handled stuff like that in lotro.

ask in the zones where people with the level are questing, most of the time they quest but won't mind a quick instance run.

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Original_Peace
12.29.2011 , 09:47 PM | #83
So I played WOW for several years from the original WOW through cataclysm. I also quit WOW several times because of the Community before they ever had an LFG tool. It definitely wasn't the LFG tool that destroyed the WOW community.

For both my wife and I, the LFG tools openned up a whole lot of content that we never saw or had access to because of the royal pain it was to find groups and then the royal pain it was to travel to that instance - it was a whole day affair.

When WOW implemented the LFG tool I don't remember a whole lot of complaints. Frankly it worked great in WOTLK. Most all the groups I went with were friendly I rarely had problems. And would say I had huge problems with the community and the people on our server before that. All the problems of ninja looting etc. were there without the LFG tool.

With Cataclysm the tool broke - but I don't think it was the tool. There was a big difference with the way people used the tool in WOTLK and Cataclysm. The tool was implemented when most WOTLK content was older and the instances were fast as were the queue time so if you got a bad group - you weren't there long and it was easy to complete an instance even with some poorly geared people. However, they made the instances SOOO Long in Cataclysm and queue times were an hour or more. So when you finally got into an instance many people were not willing to work with people new to the instance etc. You can go over and read the WOW forums. People post about how if you are going to enter an instance, you first had to have studied the videos of how others completed it. Then there were always several people complaining about this person's gearscore or this person not doing enough dps on their damage meter etc.

Frankly gearscore and damage meters did far far more to destroy community than the LFG tool ever did. I pray Bioware does not allow those into the game. I was in so many group where we were knocking off bosses just fine but some jerk had to keep harassing someone about what showed on his DPS meter or they should quit the group because they didn't have a gearscore that he approved of.

The problem with not having an LFG tool is that many people who have a group already never go and help those who don't. And those that have already gone through content won't go back to help others. Even though I played WOW for years I still never was able to go through many of the original instances. I also was never able see many of the instances in their first expansion. However, once they had an LFG tool I was able to play all the WOTLK instance and I was even able to gear up to do several Raids because of that tool.

I can kind of understand not making cross-server or only having it go cross server if there are not enough players on your own server - and even then staying within a server group of 3-4 servers.

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Brete
12.29.2011 , 10:24 PM | #84
If flashpoints and raids are to be TOR's end game then for me this game will need an LFD tool badly, spamming /1 over and over again is no fun at all.

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Graburr
12.29.2011 , 10:52 PM | #85
Quote: Originally Posted by Original_Peace View Post
It definitely wasn't the LFG tool that destroyed the WOW community.

For both my wife and I, the LFG tools openned up a whole lot of content that we never saw or had access to because of the royal pain it was to find groups and then the royal pain it was to travel to that instance - it was a whole day affair.

When WOW implemented the LFG tool I don't remember a whole lot of complaints. Frankly it worked great in WOTLK. Most all the groups I went with were friendly I rarely had problems. And would say I had huge problems with the community and the people on our server before that. All the problems of ninja looting etc. were there without the LFG tool.

With Cataclysm the tool broke - but I don't think it was the tool. There was a big difference with the way people used the tool in WOTLK and Cataclysm.

The problem with not having an LFG tool is that many people who have a group already never go and help those who don't. And those that have already gone through content won't go back to help others. Even though I played WOW for years I still never was able to go through many of the original instances. I also was never able see many of the instances in their first expansion. However, once they had an LFG tool I was able to play all the WOTLK instance and I was even able to gear up to do several Raids because of that tool.
sorry, but you compare apples with oranges. no one said there weren't idiots before the tool. without a tool however, they were kept in line (at least more than with the total anonymity of a x-shard DF). and the effect of a DF is not visible over night. it's not like there's a switch that's turned on and suddenly the community is crap. people WILL act more like jerks because they KNOW they can get away with it. it's human nature.
if anything, it's an argument against DF because of the changes you described.

as for the apples and oranges: the instances in LK were waaaaay easier than everything that came with cata (HOM would be an exception). the whole LK gameplay was an aoe-fest, which did not work in cata - all of a sudden people had to play properly instead of spamming their aoe, mobs had to be CC'd and healers had to relearn the green bar game, and the margin for error was a lot smaller.
which meant there was lot more pressure on the group, and at least in the beginning you couldn't get carried through like it was possible in LK, so people were a lot more cranky (rightfully so). random groups with challenging content simply doesn't work.
regarding queuetimes, I pretty much stopped doing randoms in cata and only went with my guild - as did several others I know, especially tanks. wasn't uncommon for a DD to look in the trade chat (sound familiar?) for a tank/heal you group with to get in the instance faster.

the cata instances would have been fine if the majority of the playerbase had not been trained differently in 2 years LK.
as for the rest, try to find a casual guild or put some likeminded people on your friendslist, and you don't really need a DF. that's how it works in other games as well. a little bit incentive and you'll be doing instances just fine.

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Dabrixmgp
12.29.2011 , 11:46 PM | #86
Quote: Originally Posted by casshern View Post
i dont want a dungeon finder, it is a lazy tool for lazy people go out there and and find a group, this isnt wow, you want wow then go back, we dont want here ruining our game.
You dont want a dungeon finder dont use it. I dont want not being able to find a group at 3am to ruin my fun.

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AnEliteAcorn
12.30.2011 , 02:56 AM | #87
I personally would enjoy a LFG system because not many of my friends play this game (or at least not yet) and i have always hated spamming LFG in chat but i would prefer it to not be cross server. The LFG system can actually introduce you to new people on your server that you love to play with and want to regroup with and at the same time find people you hate and would prefer to stay away from. So i am for the LFG system

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Rikia
12.30.2011 , 06:24 AM | #88
Of the games I have played the current LFG system we got now in game is like the one Final Fantasy XI had, a flag system with comments with an icon after your name. Back in Everquest, all you had is the flag and have a <LFG> tag in front of your name when you look that person on search.

Prior to the Dungeon Finder WoW also had another tool which was the LFG tool that was before patch 3.3 which introduced the LFD tool which we know now. I guess many people would like the LFG tool wow had before the LFD tool which was not a 100% automated group maker. Looked something like this:

http://www.wowpedia.org/File:Patch_3.1.0_LFG.png?c=1

1. Contains a role check.
2. You can put comments.
3. You can insert what you are looking for with a pull down menu.
4. Obviously it was only for your server.

If I remember correctly you can do a Looking for More option and do a search based on what you are looking for. You still had to travel to the dungeon.

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AdamHDMI
12.30.2011 , 06:32 AM | #89
Quote: Originally Posted by casshern View Post
i dont want a dungeon finder, it is a lazy tool for lazy people go out there and and find a group, this isnt wow, you want wow then go back, we dont want here ruining our game.
And us people who don't have all day to play a game? There's nothing worse then logging on in the spare time I have to play and then having to spam general chat with 'LFG ******'. It's just pointless; and I really don't see how this 'builds up the community'. I do agree that it should not be cross server however, as the ninja looting would get out of control.
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endyoursearch
12.30.2011 , 07:51 AM | #90
I see alot of trolling going on in /1 chat so LOL for oldschool method. It may work for the flash points since they are all grouped together somewhat.

In open world for heroic quests its okay but I would like to see a LFG feature.